Surface Piercings
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Topic: Surface Piercings
Posted By: MontanaPiercer
Subject: Surface Piercings
Date Posted: January/17/2006 at 9:49am
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With the abundance of quality information available to body piercers these days, it is disheartening to see the quality of work coming from some of these people. In no other area of piercing do I see such shoddy craftsmanship as I do in the area of surface piercing. Surface work is an advanced art of piercing, and shouldn't be attempted by those who don't have the training or experience to perform them properly. To do so makes you a hack, and we have plenty of hacks in this industry already, everyone of them dragging down the advancement and public acceptance of the industry. Horror stories travel faster and farther than anything else, and some of you could give Stephen King a run for his money as fast as you are pumping them out..... Surface piercings are extremely difficult to heal if everything is done correctly. To utilize inappropriate jewelry, to pierce high motion areas, to fail in recognizing anatomical requirements, all go to make healing a surface piercing a lottery like statistical probability....... and is a serious dis-service to your client who trust you do things correctly, and seldom know when you aren't. BME has already taken the time to document the essential information on surface piercings, so I will spare the rehash in this post, but for those of you who are working on other people, or those that are interested in knowing the PROPER way to do surface piercing, please take a moment to at least familiarize yourself with the info. We abandoned the old methods for surface piercing years ago, because quite frankly, they NEVER WORKED, and WILL NEVER WORK. If you are doing surface piercings, please don't be playing catch-up, your clients are counting on you......... http://encyc.bmezine.com/?Surface_Piercing - Surface Piercings http://encyc.bmezine.com/?Surface_Piercing_Rejection - Surface Piercings Rejection http://encyc.bmezine.com/?Surface_Bar - Surface Bars ------------- http://www.myspace.com/montanapiercer - 
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Posted By: AstroZombie138
Date Posted: January/17/2006 at 7:23pm
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Well said. ------------- He who makes a beast of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man. |
Posted By: psychokinetic
Date Posted: January/17/2006 at 7:29pm
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the large gauge madison in the rejection page looks like it was a stupid idea in the first place.
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Posted By: Dantes Lover
Date Posted: January/23/2006 at 12:20am
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so...if everything is done right and you have good luck, a surface piercing CAN heal? i hope so. i desperately want an anti-eyebrow...but now i'm off to read the articles. thanks for posting the links  ------------- Pierced, Stretched, Tattooed, Scarred, and Corseted. |
Posted By: CRUCIFUCK
Date Posted: February/06/2006 at 11:29am
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punch and taper...learn the "proper" way to do it folks..
see you in a couple weeks tana.. cheers..john ------------- D.H.S-DISGRACELAND HOOK SQAUD. IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU BETTER ASK SOMEBODY!! |
Posted By: AnamiAzureal
Date Posted: February/06/2006 at 3:17pm
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okay well I was looking at those links with my brother and we started talking baout his corset piercing that he's wanted for god only knows how long and the bars he was gonna use. he claims that he was gonna use these polyurathane bars for his surface piercing. He says that surface piercings normally reject because the skin has to move to adjust to the new piercing and this is hwy polyurathane bars are good because they are "flexible"?? like so when your skin moves or whatever the bars moves to adjust so that it heals quicker and better? well I was just wandering if this was true informations or if some chick just made up this stuff so she could get more money? well I guess that's about it.....sorry for always asking stoopid questions....I just don't know much.
------------- I like spaghetti...if you're lucky...I may like you [winkwink] |
Posted By: MontanaPiercer
Date Posted: February/06/2006 at 7:02pm
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Unless the PTFE is bent with 90 degree risors into a surface bar shape (this is a tricky practice to get them to stay bent, and requires heating them at the bend to the point of nearly melting and then letting them cool in that shape), then they are as useless as curved barbells. Any piercer who knows their shit gave up on PTFE for surface piercings years ago.... so more than likely she is just full of shit..... if the jewelry doesn't look like the ones pictured above, its wrong. Here is a series of photos from http://www.bmezine.com/pierce/11-surface/wantone.html - BME of nape piercings using the type of bars that piercer is talking about.....as you can clearly see, they don't work  ------------- http://www.myspace.com/montanapiercer -
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Posted By: AnamiAzureal
Date Posted: February/08/2006 at 11:09am
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oh tay well he still insist that they are better because he doesn't like to listen to pros, he feels that he is right and never WILL be wrong, but I don't care...I'll let him get it and it'll get fucked up and then he'll be lke "WoW....I wish i had listened to that Montana dood" so Idk but thanks for the info anyways, I'll take your advice for when I hopefully get my napes!
------------- I like spaghetti...if you're lucky...I may like you [winkwink] |
Posted By: Haywood
Date Posted: February/13/2006 at 8:59pm
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Hmm, i did not know that ------------- Braaaaaaains!! |
Posted By: locky
Date Posted: February/21/2006 at 9:53pm
| i know for a fact the piercings places where i live both use ptfe for their surface piercings but one place does change it afterwards to a bar.... will this still cause rejection??? |
Posted By: MontanaPiercer
Date Posted: February/21/2006 at 11:08pm
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Look at the photos 4 posts up.... there is your answer
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Posted By: Arawyn
Date Posted: February/28/2006 at 7:47pm
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mine was done with a curved barbell, smiliar (almost identical looking actually) to the "Good surface" piercing demonstration on the last bme link. Dudes got a portfoilio of healed surfaces, so i hope mines ok ------------- 1x Tat, 2x left lobe, 2x Anti-Eyebrow, 1x Vertical Labret, 1x Obrbital (2 seperate piercings combined), 1x Helix?, 1x Tounge, 1x Apadravya(8Gauge) |
Posted By: sataninacaddy
Date Posted: March/07/2006 at 8:01am
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Ok, In minnesota you don't have to have a license to tattoo or pierce, and there is a studio in East Grand Forks MN that is just fucking rediculous! I have seen and heard so many horror stories about there peircings and tattoo's, it is just pathetic! I went there myself just to see what they'd say about tongue splitting, he said he'd peirce it normal, feed some dental floss through and pull really fucking hard, than just put some gauz on it, what a joke!!!! People who don't know what they are doing shouldn't be DOING IT!!!!! I mean c'mon people, wtf are you thinking???!!!??? ------------- Don't force your religion on others, inform them and let them choose! |
Posted By: hatredslave
Date Posted: March/08/2006 at 8:18pm
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same thing happend to me at essential beauty they told me to use fishing line over 3mths and slowley split it myself well i don't know how much longer they will be around when i can't get into see my piercer i did go there out of 3 piercings they messed up 2 and then told me that when i went to report thrm i got told not to because they had sued people for reporting them b4 sorry i had to comment just reminded me of them
also thanks for the post it has made me think a bit more before i get mine cheers ------------- I'am not a freak I'am just modified |
Posted By: psychokinetic
Date Posted: March/08/2006 at 11:51pm
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fishing line over time is a fine method, when doing it yourself.i may even utilise that method.. but the dental floss in one go is stupid.
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Posted By: xXxJenocydexXx
Date Posted: March/09/2006 at 12:05am
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Yeah...the dental floss one is REALLY asking for trouble. Nothing quite like extreme bleeding trauma to make your body happy! ------------- "Yeah? Well if you didn't know I was drunk...you'd just think I was really cool." 
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Posted By: BubbleGunKis5
Date Posted: April/24/2006 at 10:21pm
| Can anyone help me out with info on the sternum piercing? I really want it but I want some facts and Id love to know how its done. |
Posted By: CRUCIFUCK
Date Posted: May/13/2006 at 1:00am
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i said it before and ill say it again.. when your doing a surface
piercing on the part of the body where there is a lot of fatty tissue
ie.. the upper arm, nape of the neck, etc.. the pumch and taper method
is best becouse of the need to to have a entry and exit site on a
downward 90 degree angle to facilatate proper placement for jewelry is
key.. if this method is not implied the jewelry will sit too high off
of the skin making healing time longer due to the increased risk of
irratation from movement.. say no more.. cheers..john ------------- D.H.S-DISGRACELAND HOOK SQAUD. IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU BETTER ASK SOMEBODY!! |
Posted By: sweetiehoneybab
Date Posted: May/23/2006 at 12:36pm
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i got this done on friday, its really swolen and red (as you can see) and its really painfull, basically from what i can tell its the left entry hole (the one on the bottom) that is causing all the problems, the other one seems to be fine and its much less tender around that one. also the left hole is weeping alot.   my body is usually really good when it comes to heeling and i've been doing all the usual, basically i wanna know is it only gonna get worse and should i give up and take it out now. i'm gonna go see my usual piercer on friday and have him put a surface bar in because i think its probably a better idea and it might have a better chance, i also think ptfe that is in at the moment is a little too short and hasn't accomodated for swelling. ------------- True romance is dead, I shot it in the chest then in the head. |
Posted By: MontanaPiercer
Date Posted: May/23/2006 at 6:47pm
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you are killing me!!! how many times have I mentioned now that PTFE is not considered appropriate for surface piercings? Surface bars If it isn't one, it is NOT right ------------- http://www.myspace.com/montanapiercer -
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Posted By: sweetiehoneybab
Date Posted: May/25/2006 at 11:08am
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i know and thats what i though but the guy who is training my friend made it and said it was just as good as a surface bar and he prefared using bent ptfe. it is actually bent up at the ends like a surface bar. ------------- True romance is dead, I shot it in the chest then in the head. |
Posted By: MontanaPiercer
Date Posted: May/25/2006 at 8:06pm
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that can be done, but it has to be heated to almost the point of melting, I use a cautery pen for this, then allowed to cool, otherwise it won't hold it's shape. The one in your arm has obviously straightened out, or he didn't make the risers long enough....... just bending them by hand doesn't work.....either way, I don't think that is going to work for you.... keep an eye on it.......tight pressure like that will retain fluid and wound discharge ------------- http://www.myspace.com/montanapiercer -
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Posted By: sweetiehoneybab
Date Posted: May/26/2006 at 1:40pm
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there isn't alot of preasure on it now, alot of the swelling seems to have gone down and its not at all painful now. there is still quite a bit of weeping but i think it is getting better.
thankies 'tana. x ------------- True romance is dead, I shot it in the chest then in the head. |
Posted By: back2cali1104
Date Posted: June/10/2006 at 11:34am
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just had to ask sweetie, what ever happened with your surface piercing on your arm? i just got one an inch below my navel, had it three days (pic in the surface/navel section of piercings), and its healing fine. but i have just come to terms that this is a temp piercing, and its now a marathon race to see how long before my body does away with it. it is fun to have for the short term, but i know it wont last ------------- removed by request |
Posted By: sataninacaddy
Date Posted: July/01/2006 at 7:02pm
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When are people gonna learn? It gets old after a while doesn't it? ------------- Don't force your religion on others, inform them and let them choose! |
Posted By: back2cali1104
Date Posted: July/01/2006 at 7:20pm
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i went into my surface piercing knowing it would be short term, i wanted the experience of getting a surface piercing. i knew going into it if i got it to last two weeks i was accomplishing something, it didnt last that long, oh well. i know the trama me bumping into it, and my bf bumping into it, as well as sleeping on my gut, well, i knew b4 hand it wouldnt last. so, have i learned anything from the experience? ummmmm, i learned i can endure tha pain of surface piercings, to take lots of pics, and to enjoy it while its there, nothing is guaranteed in life, and that especially holds true to surface piercings
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Posted By: sweetiehoneybab
Date Posted: July/02/2006 at 6:47am
well i took it out in the end and i have two little scars where it was. :)
 ------------- True romance is dead, I shot it in the chest then in the head. |
Posted By: back2cali1104
Date Posted: July/02/2006 at 10:53am
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sweetie, i love my little scars mine has left!!!! i hope they hang around a long time......... how long did your surface piercing last? ------------- removed by request |
Posted By: insignificunt
Date Posted: July/11/2006 at 11:07am
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Punch + taper people! it's the future of surface work! I haven't had any p+t done yet, but i've had close to a dozen surface piercings, all done with high quality surface bars and the only ones that stayed are the ones on my face. My vert. bridge is my baby. Christina died because she was being chaffed (yes, i talk about my piercings in 3rd person! ) It's been almost a year since i've had my vert bridge. It's not red. It's not crusty. It hasnt' been swollen since it was 4 days old. I really do like the LITFA aftercare for surface piercings (... Leave It The Fuck Alone!). works well for me! I find tedious and compulsive cleaning can leave it irritated. ------------- for joy there's pain |
Posted By: sweetiehoneybab
Date Posted: July/12/2006 at 3:37am
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it lasted for about two weeks, in the end people close to me convinced me to take it out, cos it was starting to look really sore and i kept catching it on everything and i knew there was no way it was gonna heal. ------------- True romance is dead, I shot it in the chest then in the head. |
Posted By: mzlaz
Date Posted: August/16/2006 at 3:58pm
well i just got my surface done on my cleavge furst two days are awsome, i do a surface bar in it also
 now i clean it with sea salt and distilled water andim worried i might be using to much salt and today i woke up and it was really sore and tight feeling I tend to roll over on my tummy and i have a feeling that might be why,what do you think
also when i clean it my skin feels tight from the salt,should i cut down on the salt a bit,i might be able to go see my peircer today but im in edmonton and im goin to van for a couple days i dont get peirced there so i have no desire to go see ne one there,just thought id get some feed back b4 i trek down there agian!
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Posted By: cherry_slices
Date Posted: August/17/2006 at 2:06pm
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those seem to be very common feelings when one gets a new piercing...it doesnt sound too alarming to me
but thats just my non-expert but slightly educated opinion. ------------- Shes Back. |
Posted By: TriXxPierce
Date Posted: October/07/2006 at 4:32pm
| ive been trying to learn as much as i could about surface piercings. I just want to say thank you for helping me find alot of usefull info on this subject. Thaknks again!! |
Posted By: -Guy-
Date Posted: October/17/2006 at 9:15am
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i've had 11 surface bars put in me so far my napes have al held up very weel nearly one year old my arm corset was removed after i no longer wanted it all was done with high quality surgical steel surface bars just a curious question although i trust my piercer i have seen many surface piercings being done without clamps is this normal or is there benifits to each piercing insertion?
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Posted By: MontanaPiercer
Date Posted: October/18/2006 at 12:31am
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it is usually too much tissue to clamp without crushing damage making the piercing a much more unpleasant experience.....
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Posted By: Shadowbunny
Date Posted: October/18/2006 at 10:26pm
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What about christinas? I've heard they are surfaces, then some people say they aren't. I've met girls who completely healed with them in within a few months and have had them for years, whereas most surfaces don't last that long. I'd like to get one done but i've seen some scary pictures of rejections, not to mention I got real shitty luck with piercers..... ------------- oO?? |
Posted By: MontanaPiercer
Date Posted: October/19/2006 at 2:03pm
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depends completely on the person's anatomy, some girls can get away with curved bars, some need surface bars, and some need a custom piece somewhere in between the two, a competent piercer will be able to explain your particular situation with a consultation
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Posted By: prettysXe
Date Posted: November/29/2006 at 10:28pm
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hi, im new here
i have my bridge pierced, but now
i want to know the risk of getting the sides of my eyes pierced
so it will line up with my bridge, on both sides i have no idea what its called... and my piercer doesnt either since he doesnt know wtf it is called... i dont think i should trust him in doing it... ------------- tsst. |
Posted By: insignificunt
Date Posted: December/23/2006 at 8:36pm
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anti-eyebrows or horizontal eyebrows.
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Posted By: mixxiegurl
Date Posted: March/19/2007 at 11:59pm
| hmmm... im definitely not an expert or anything but the last surface piercing i got has been absolutely perfect healing wise. no rejection or discoloration around hole sight and ive had it for over a year now.. im wondering if it was my piercer's technique.... he rotated the skin as he pierced it [which FUCKING hurt].. also he used the bar with the 90 degree angles, but that have extremely short stems... he also pierced my ex's nap four times bout a year ago and his has healed excellent too. he took damn near a hour per piercing just to make sure that the angle coincided with the creases in his neck and so forth. two were horizontal and two were diagonal. anyways just a thought..... :) |
Posted By: frozt
Date Posted: March/31/2007 at 11:46pm
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Could someone explain what qualifies as a surface bar? Do barbells, curved barbells, circular barbells, etc qualify as these? Also, is the emphasis in this thread on only using surface bars just during the healing period or even after the piercing has healed completely? Some of the articles I've read recently make it seem that the majority of surface piercings(I'm hoping to get my eyebrow done) end up being rejected. What percentage of surface piercing would you say end up rejecting? |
Posted By: AlecTrosex
Date Posted: April/01/2007 at 5:31am
| Did you read this thread before posting? Go back to the original post, click the links, and you will learn all about surface piercings. |
Posted By: ronc
Date Posted: April/01/2007 at 6:25am
| well this just shows how stupit i can be sometimes. if i would have read this first i could have saved some money and pain. the rib cage project i tryed didnt last 3 weeks befoire it became very obvious that it was not going to heal so i pulled it. now i have to do it all over again. bummer but this time im going to do it right. live and learn. |
Posted By: funanddeath
Date Posted: April/09/2007 at 9:51am
| Couldn't have said it better myself!! I am a big fan of surface piercings, so far I only have two, my sternum and my nape. They both healed wonderfully in the first month and a half. The only problem I had was with the nape, which stupid me, got some shampoo into. After that cleared up it was smooth sailing from there. My piercer is great, his name is Paul from Needle Wurks, I would not trust my body with anyone else when it comes to piercings. He uses the punch and taper method for his surface piercings, and the SURFACE BAR. Its a great method, does not hurt a bit. He tells me if he thinks there is a great chance of rejection, and so far he has been right. But I do see these people with banana bars in their surface piercings... and I think it is so sad, because if they are anything like me they are so in love with their piercings, and I know if one of mine was to reject I would be devastated. The only thing I really have to say is, do your research before you get a piercing. Bmod is a great place to do it too, ask people about how theirs have healed and what not, most people are willing to talk :) |
Posted By: MistahG
Date Posted: April/09/2007 at 11:18am
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Bah ! Surface piercings are SO 2005. Viva Surface Anchors.  |
Posted By: e-star
Date Posted: April/29/2007 at 6:46pm
| just a quick question..is there a chance of a vertical lip growing out as I suppose technically it is a surface piercing? twould be a bummer. |
Posted By: MontanaPiercer
Date Posted: April/30/2007 at 1:21pm
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a vertical labret doesn't qualifiy as a surface piercing, because you can obtain perpendicular exits with a curved bar due to the rounded anatomy of the lip
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Posted By: e-star
Date Posted: April/30/2007 at 2:52pm
| thank you! |
Posted By: abyssfayth
Date Posted: May/03/2007 at 11:06am
| so i plan on getting clavicles done here within the month of june, ive seen it done with a clamp and barbell but from what im reading that's wrong. so the correct way would be dermal punch and tapor correct? (w/ surface bar) i just wanna make sure i dont do it wrong or didnt read any of your opinions wrong. also what is the procedure like? |
Posted By: red76ying
Date Posted: May/08/2007 at 9:08pm
| i've wanted a corset on my back for a while now. i'm planning on getting surface bars, waiting for them to heal, and then putting in cbrs or whatever necessary for the corset itself. should i go in stages? like get 4 surface bars, wait, get another 4... or just get them all done at once? |
Posted By: Cale
Date Posted: May/18/2007 at 2:56am
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I just took out my vertical bridge piercing two days ago. I'm sad about it but it was rejecting and I left it in a little longer than I probably should have. Now there are two red bumps on my head but it's going away. It will probably leave a mark.
If a piercing begins to reject, just take it out! I'll never learn. :P
When it's gone, I'm going to get tattoos there. :)
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Posted By: JessicaGrace
Date Posted: May/29/2007 at 7:31pm
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As someone said before about themself, I'm wanting to get clavicals. What is the procedure like? What is the proper way for it to be pierced? Is there anything I should know before getting it done? Will it reject eventually? Thanks! ------------- Hear my song. People won't you listen now? Sing along. You don't know what you're missing now. Any little song that you know, Everything that's small has to grow. And it has to grow! |
Posted By: CheeseStix
Date Posted: June/10/2007 at 6:00pm
| My question for the day, as I have quite a few surface piercings, but have never done the Punch and Taper method, always used a clamp, needle, and surface bar... Is the P&T method best for ALL surface piercings, or just some, and how do I tell the difference? |
Posted By: Malice Mae
Date Posted: June/17/2007 at 2:36pm
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Nicely Put Ive had two one by someone that didnt know what he was doing and one by someone that did guess which stayed!!!
x x x ------------- Be Beautiful |
Posted By: CheeseStix
Date Posted: June/17/2007 at 2:49pm
| Hmmm... I wonder. :P How long has it stayed for? |
Posted By: abyssfayth
Date Posted: July/02/2007 at 10:30am
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hmmmm i havent got my clavicles yet... kinda was waiting on a reply from montana but i guess ill talk to my piercer soon.... she did my friends and one of hers rejected and the other one looks decent but idk... my girlfriend is kinda down my throat cause she loves the piercing but in the same respect loves my collarbones and doent was a huge scar there. ------------- xTHE EDGE IS STRONGx |
Posted By: minkeymarie
Date Posted: July/08/2007 at 3:08pm
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My neck was dermal punched and tapered. But my sternum was with a needle. The skin on my neck was tighter, that's why they used the p & t method instead. And it's healing a lot easier. As far as pain, it wasn't so much as it was more painful, it just took longer, and bled more. ------------- Live long and prosper |
Posted By: Aidskake
Date Posted: September/01/2007 at 7:29pm
| Oh sweet Jesus! That looks painful!! |
Posted By: SweetCocoa69
Date Posted: September/11/2007 at 10:48pm
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i want a christina but it's rejection rate is to high |
Posted By: pollux
Date Posted: September/20/2007 at 5:48am
Just had a verticle pubic done , when I bend over it slides out just a bit worried I will reject what you think
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Posted By: polkira
Date Posted: September/24/2007 at 9:28am
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I got my sternum pierced two days ago, and the idiot that did it used a PTFE bar, even after I asked if he could use a surface bar. I was just wondering if it would still reject if I go to a different piercer and get them to put a surface bar through, or if I should take it out now, let it heal and then get it redone properly. |
Posted By: AlecTrosex
Date Posted: September/27/2007 at 6:41pm
| You very well may be able to save it, but since it is a surface piercing, there are never guarantees that you will be able to keep it for very long. |
Posted By: Carrie_p2005
Date Posted: October/08/2007 at 2:45am
| For all of you that are wanting to do corsets with surface barbells, painfulpleasures.com sells surface barbells with slave ends for $14.99. They range from 1/2" to 1" in length. The only problem is the threads are external, which most piercers do not like to use. But it is a better option than trying to put in CBRs. Even fully healed surface piercings can reject if there is trauma to the area or jewelry is changed to something that causes pressure to the skin. |
Posted By: teacake
Date Posted: October/08/2007 at 9:23am
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Since I bumped m sternum its began to go ookie and stuff. eurh better not reject now. ------------- 
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Posted By: krowe
Date Posted: October/22/2007 at 12:53am
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Ok so I got a two surface piercings on my lower stomach about four days ago, and I have had no worries till I started reading about rejections and such...no I worry that they may get pushed out. My piercer used curved barbells. How do I know if they are going to stay or not? (I am new to the whole piercing thing. They were my first major piercing, other than my ears.) |
Posted By: AlecTrosex
Date Posted: October/22/2007 at 9:33am
| Curved barbells? That is how you know they will reject, haha. Look for the skin to get tight on the jewelry, scar "trails" leading away from the ends of the jewelry, the skin becoming transparant, and in general, the piercings refusing to heal. |
Posted By: krowe
Date Posted: October/23/2007 at 12:14pm
| but they act like they are healing. Should I just leave them alone or change them out for something else. |
Posted By: Carrie_p2005
Date Posted: October/23/2007 at 1:42pm
| I would just leave them alone at this point. Even if you were to change to surface barbells (the only proper jewelry for surface piercings) the piercing was still done incorrectly and would still likely reject. If you are (very) lucky, they will heal and you won't have any issues in the future. But more than likely you will start to see signs of rejection in the next few months. Take them out at the first sign of rejection to minimize scarring. And if you want to get them done again, go to a different piercer who uses surface barbells, and ideally the punch and taper method to insert them. |
Posted By: Malice Mae
Date Posted: October/30/2007 at 11:19am
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I have a PTFE bar as the bar for my surface piercing but it have been shaped into a surface piercing bar...Ive had it for about 6 months now and it hasnt moved a bit...anyone in the uk thinking about getting it done go ask for Paddy in Acsess All Areas in Nottingham...I Hardlt felt a thing when I got it done and I've had no trouble with it since...I'm pretty happy!! Its and Anti-eyebrow BTW
forgot to put that in :)
xMalicex ------------- Be Beautiful |
Posted By: devilette_
Date Posted: December/23/2007 at 7:18am
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my collarbone surfaces are going pretty well however, i get a bit uneasy because one side feels significantly closer to the surface then the other bar, and this one is also redder its so strange how one is virtually painless (they are only 6 weeks old) and the other one is really tender! im not sure its a way i sleep or something.. ------------- amber:) |
Posted By: theartofnecro
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 8:23pm
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PUNCH AND TAPER PEOPLE, PUNCH AND TAPER! I've been playing around with the tecnique for awhile now, and will put it into practise on the next client.
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Posted By: SierraFoxtrot
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 8:30pm
| I was thinking about getting a surface piercing, this has been so helpful! Thankyou. |
Posted By: mugged
Date Posted: February/20/2008 at 4:32pm
| hey...i recently removed my eyebrow piercing and now there seems to be a lump underneath the skin where piercing was...it isnt really visible but you can feel it if you run your finger over my eyebrow...im assuming its scar tissue but i wasnt really sure...part of the reason i removed it was because it kept getting caught on stuff, and when i went to take it out last night both holes were bleeding because earlier it got stuck on something...right now there are two small red bumps where the holes were and the palpable but not visible lump underneath the eyebrow...is this normal? |
Posted By: xXxJenocydexXx
Date Posted: February/20/2008 at 5:03pm
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Yeah, that's just scar tissue. I had the same thing when I let my first lobe holes closed up before having them redone. Definitely normal as long as there's no weird drainage or excessive pain.
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Posted By: mugged
Date Posted: February/20/2008 at 5:15pm
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Posted By: tessariot
Date Posted: February/22/2008 at 5:56pm
| Just curious, what exactly is involved with the punch and taper method? |
Posted By: CheeseStix
Date Posted: February/22/2008 at 6:51pm
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The punch and taper method involves making two small holes with a dermal punch, and then making a pocket in between them with a taper, to create a hole the same shape and size as the surface bar, as opposed to the needle method, which leaves shape... questionable. Such is my understanding anyways, I'm not a pro though, so don't quote me on that.  |
Posted By: tessariot
Date Posted: February/22/2008 at 8:54pm
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Well, if you're right or not, logically that sounds like it would work much better than a needle. |
Posted By: Veilside
Date Posted: February/25/2008 at 1:55pm
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Saw Mac doing one of these on sunday, the technique seemed relatively simple, so I can't understand why people still use the inferior needle technique. ------------- "so its personal attacks now veilside?? well if thats the way its gonna be i think your a candyass little bitch twat raver with a closed minded point of view." |
Posted By: jiams
Date Posted: March/05/2008 at 2:37pm
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I had my nape pierced 5 days back and my neck feels really strained now.
Does anybody here knows what are the signs of rejection? Cause there's like visible red mark across my nape piercing where the surface bar is at. Thanks in advance
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Posted By: Jeeennnnniiiii
Date Posted: March/05/2008 at 3:18pm
that was on me  we filmed it.. (it's a madison) so have a look on ../profiles/profile%7EID%7E12217.aspx - MACCY2TONGUES page for the video.there was so much more blood than i thought!! and seriously.. i barely felt it. you can even see me laughing in the video part way through. i'll definately be using that method from now on.
i got mine done a week and a half ago and it's still red. i imagine it'll hurt for a while yet. ------------- well i might have somethin' to say about that, space man! |
Posted By: jiams
Date Posted: March/13/2008 at 11:50am
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Thanks! Mine is better already (: Hope yours is fine as well!
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Posted By: billybot
Date Posted: March/16/2008 at 12:39am
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personal experiance:
surface piercing reared its head here in my corner of the planet in the last decade, i got my nape pierced the first time years ago before we had ever heard of ptfe or tygon or whatever. when i asked my piercist she said she would do it as long as i understood it would reject, we pierced it with a one inch curved barbell, i went for my second a few months later, a few months after that i got my clavicles done (they rejected quickly) a third nape piercing, a horizontal belly, and finally a 4th nape. i lost 2 napes that fell out while i slept (the two bottom ones) the two that i have left are at least 6 years old, same with my belly, they are generally healthy although get a little irritated when i am under stress. all were done with one inch curved barbells.
im not immune to rejection i know from my clavicles and the whole golfball sized handweb fiasco, just pretty lucky, my belly is my favorite piercing, and i forget about my nape most of the time.
i have no personal experiance with ptfe, the shops here that do surface piercings use it now, my girlfriend has a monroe with it in it, and i can see that it doesnt allow any more flexability than steel that i can see. its not doing well but she also had a sternum that went down the rejection road.
i have seen a pair of 4 inch back piercings on somone that were done with tygon i believe (its something really stretchy) they were done at a festival by some famous piercist whos name i didnt listen too, they are doing well or at least looked like they were. which makes sence, the jewelery would idealy need to be more flexible that the flesh its in right? has anyone ever tried to come up with like a silicone barbell?
also i always put spikes on my piercings when i get them done (i like being sharp) i found that the bottom edges of the cone spikes dug in on the curved barbells in my surface piercings, pushing the jewelery away from the skin, but after a few days a groove that it fits into always forms. so i may just be a freak... ------------- B-B-B-Unit!!!! |
Posted By: x_jessabel
Date Posted: April/02/2008 at 11:46am
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Ok this is so stupid.
I got my wrist pierced. But it doesn't look right.
I hope the pic works.
Didn't they use the right barbell?
Or didn't they go deep enough?
And should I take it out?
sorry for the blurry picture.
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Posted By: Carrie_p2005
Date Posted: April/02/2008 at 5:54pm
| That is probably going to reject. For one, the bends are 80 degrees, not 90, and that makes a huge difference in the amount of pressure on the surrounding tissue. Second, the risers are very high and will likely catch on everything, resulting in constant irritation. If you like it, leave it there for now, but take it out at the first signs of rejection to avoid ugly scars. Look for things like the skin pulling away from the edges of the holes, the bar underneath the skin showing on the edges, and being able to see the jewelry through the skin. |
Posted By: Jackalhead
Date Posted: April/02/2008 at 6:07pm
| I'm getting a corset down my back with microdermal anchors. We don't have Tygon in SA. |
Posted By: funanddeath
Date Posted: April/03/2008 at 11:12pm
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I am guessing from my experience with surface piercings that that one
was done with a needle. YOU DO NOT USE A NEEDLE FOR A SURFACE PIERCING.
And yea, Carrie is right, even if it won't reject it is still too high on the ends and will get snagged on everything considering the spot you chose to place it. I would recommend taking it out, letting it heal, and in 6 to 10 weeks get it redone correctly. Punch and taper method, you use a biopsy punch to create the 90 degree angled holes (this keeps from putting any pressure on the skin), and you have to have the right jewelry. If the piercer knows the correct way to do these piercings they will have the correct jewelry, you can tell that piece was made by the piercer. It needs to have two 90 degree angled ends to again keep from pulling, and this jewelry will come in like this, it does not need to be made. Also the ends put on this bar should be flat, they are called healing disks, and will help keep the piercing from snagging on anything, and helps to reduce swelling in the piercing. Please, if someone pulls a clamp and needle out on you when you are getting a surface piercing, THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO IT. Just wait and have it done right to avoid a really nasty scar. |
Posted By: Joshiepoo
Date Posted: April/14/2008 at 10:07pm
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So, I recently got my clavicles pierced with PFTE. My piercer told me after he thought they were healing decently he'd put in a surface bar. So, is this alright or should I suggest him to put them in sooner than that?
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Posted By: Carrie_p2005
Date Posted: April/15/2008 at 12:46am
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I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but even if you changed out the jewelry right now, it probably won't ever heal correctly. To make a surface piercing work, you also have to use the correct method, which includes creating a pocket that is the exact same size and shape as your surface barbell. This is why the punch and taper method is so highly recommended. Even if your pierced created a suitable pocket (which is unlikely since he used PTFE, this shows he is not properly educated about surface piercings), the PTFE will have changed the shape of the piercing to conform to straight jewelry. Putting in a surface barbell will probably do nothing but irritate the piercing and perpetuate rejection. My advice: take them out, let them heal, and then go to a piercer who knows how to properly do surface piercings. |
Posted By: Joshiepoo
Date Posted: April/15/2008 at 11:43am
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Honey, I live in Delaware. It's not likely that anyone here knows. xD
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Posted By: Tallulah
Date Posted: April/15/2008 at 12:28pm
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It's scary to see people in Ireland with surface piercing. I've seen some horrifying work over here. It's a shame the people themselves aren't sensible enough to realise that straight bars and piercings just aren't going to work.
I had my madison done with a needle and no matter how well I took care of it it just did not want to stay in. I took it out as soon as it started rejecting. Probably shouldn't have even done it but there you go.
The back of my neck is a custom bar and it's healed great. Still got if after two years without any grow out.
It's good to hear from people who know what they're talking about when it comes to surface piercings since I had to look pretty far when researching it to find any reliable info.
Thanks guys!
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Posted By: Carrie_p2005
Date Posted: April/15/2008 at 3:23pm
You might be pleasantly surprised. I'm from a small town in Indiana. |
Posted By: Joshiepoo
Date Posted: April/16/2008 at 2:10am
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But anyway, I wanted to get Microdermals there. However, my piercer didn't recommend it. Should I get those as opposed to surface piercings? [THE PROPER ONES]
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Posted By: Yika
Date Posted: April/16/2008 at 11:30am
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ive have surface piercing that were healer and later after almost a year just start to reject. so i took them out before they really started to look bad and now after i let the scares some what heal (as much as a scare will heal) im getting microdermals over them. one they heal faster. two they get put in with the growth of the skin three the skin grows with the piercing so it wii hopefully never reject |
Posted By: Carrie_p2005
Date Posted: April/16/2008 at 2:03pm
| I don't see any reason why you shouldn't get microdermals there. They would have a better chance of staying put than a surface pierciing. |
Posted By: KittenLaTrix
Date Posted: May/06/2008 at 7:51am
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Hi guys. I've looked around to find the answer to this question, but I'm none the wiser as yet.
I got a sternum piercing about two months ago, its done with PTFE bent at 90 degrees each end. It all went ok, the piercer told me it would take a long time to heal because of the placement, but I've noticed its not quite central, which bugs me a lot.
SO I'm planning on taking it out quite soon, also as I keep knocking it and it keeps getting minor infections - a bit of swelling and soreness, getting hot to touch and a bit of pus leaking. I'm just looking for a bit of advice, whats the best way to keep it clean and make sure it heals smoothly, with as little scarring possible? Is it ok to take it out myself, or should I go back to the piercer? Please help, I really dont want bad scars on my chest! ------------- x.Kitten.x |
Posted By: CheeseStix
Date Posted: May/06/2008 at 8:06am
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I'm not a pro, so it would be best to wait for advice from one of them, but I would personally suggest going back to the piercer to have it removed, at a time when it's not infected, then doing sea salt soaks (1/4 teaspoon non iodized sea salt to 8 ounces of warm water, for about 7 or 8 minutes) twice a day until the holes close over. Then use Vitamin E oil (or lotion, but oil is better) everyday. The soaks should help it stay clean and close nicely, and the vitamin E oil is amazing for reducing scars. Good luck! :D ------------- http://www.bodymod.org/profiles/profile~ID~29919.aspx"> 
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Posted By: leadpipe05
Date Posted: May/14/2008 at 11:36am
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ugh thats just nasty! i mean when u see its rejecting TAKE IT OUT! ------------- no smile is more beautiful than one that struggles through tears |
Posted By: Yika
Date Posted: May/14/2008 at 12:01pm
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if you take it when there is an infection the infection will get stuck in you skin ad is just not fun try and heal it first if you can then take it out and do seasalt soaks just remember to rinse with worm water after you dont want the seasalt to couse a calice |
Posted By: KittenLaTrix
Date Posted: May/14/2008 at 4:30pm
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Yika - it wasn't really infected, just sore and bit red. I let it settle before I removed it though. Thanks :)
I took it out a few days ago. It's healing nicely. I'm keeping it clean, and I've got some vitamin E oil for healing. It's going ok so far, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed it all goes smoothly. ------------- x.Kitten.x |
Posted By: theartofnecro
Date Posted: May/29/2008 at 4:56am
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WOW.. some people are real dumbasses, read the thread properly before asking questions. Most of them have already been answered. PTFE isnt suitable for a surface piercing, unless it has been bent into shape using the right method, but surface bars are usually still preferred. Also the punch and taper technique is preffered to the needle method due to the angle of the holes created.. i drew this in MS paint to illustrate what i've poorly put into words...  ------------- ADD ME: http://www.myspace.com/degez - myspace.com/degez |
Posted By: kweidog
Date Posted: May/29/2008 at 2:07pm
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Actually the needle method with clamps results in 90 degree entry and exit holes as well,doing them freehand with a needle does not.
Also,one big draw back with the dermal punch is it's real easy to lacerate the underlying muscle tissue. ------------- Damn these human beings; if I had invented them I would go hide my head in a bag. |
Posted By: theartofnecro
Date Posted: May/30/2008 at 1:29am
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thats why you get a professional who knows what they're doing, and even so sometimes its inevitable
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Posted By: Terri-Sian
Date Posted: May/31/2008 at 7:37am
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my other half will try to always use the punch and taper method when doing surface work
he's been a body modifier for 13 years.
he's never damaged muscle tissue. to be honest with all body modification there is always a risk of something not quite going to plan hence why you sign a release form!
im an apprentice so naturally im just learning the basic bread and butter piercings to begin with (navel, eyebrow etc etc) it's going to be at least a year before i learn about genital work and a hell of a long time before i start with surface and dermal punches...
i feel things like this should be done by someone who knows what the hell they are doing. im not against people experimenting but if you are after a quality piece then go to a quality body modifier!
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Posted By: modified youth
Date Posted: May/31/2008 at 8:57am
that is nasty , the person in this immage should have clearly taken them out once theu saw the outsides becoming the way they did
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Posted By: Peedu
Date Posted: June/01/2008 at 9:42am
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I didn't read all the comments on but wanted to inform that I do have a surfacepiercing on my forehead and it has healed completely.
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Posted By: flightstreak723
Date Posted: June/01/2008 at 9:55pm
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Hello all! I got a surface piercing in my back 7 months ago. I didn't know this at the time, but the method used was improper (clamp, taper, teflon barbel). I decided to leave it in and see what happened. It has been pretty good as far as pain goes, it doesn't hurt at all. But it has always been a little red around the holes, and there has always been fluid build up (mostly a yellow-reddish clear color). I recently go a bad sunburn, and since then it has been acting up. It has been very sore, red, and is bleeding a bit. Is this a sign of rejection, or will it pass? Also, is the regular fluid secretion for the 7 months straight normal? Thanks for the help. links for the pictures: http://oswego.edu/%7Ebfromm/back1.JPG - http://oswego.edu/~bfromm/back1.JPG http://oswego.edu/%7Ebfromm/back2.JPG - http://oswego.edu/~bfromm/back2.JPG   |
Posted By: stoke-skater
Date Posted: June/07/2008 at 5:58am
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i have surface piercings on my face and have had no trouble with them so far. hope to keep it that way.
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Posted By: Peedu
Date Posted: July/17/2008 at 10:13pm
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I do have one surfacepiercing in my forehead, it is healed and other I had in my left hand, it did not heal. :/ I had to take it off, there went 50euros but it was worth it. edit: I noticed that I have posted here one other post with same subject, but one thing more to tell.. ------------- How about a nice cup of tea? |
Posted By: nosuzanne
Date Posted: August/10/2008 at 2:50pm
| My punch and taper surface piercing (nape) is the only one I've had in long term. Meaning more then a couple weeks/ months. It was done by a very experienced practioner with a high quality anatometal surface bar. |
Posted By: CheeseStix
Date Posted: August/10/2008 at 2:59pm
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I believe I've pulled out around 20 surface bars, that were done with the pinch and poke method, before I knew any better. Logistically, I can definitely see how the punch and taper method should be infinitely better, but with what I've gone through with surface piercings already, I don't think I could ever go back to them. I find microdermals to be a great substitute. ------------- http://www.bodymod.org/profiles/profile~ID~29919.aspx">
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Posted By: this_is_my_name
Date Posted: August/10/2008 at 3:20pm
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very well said. lots of intresting info too. ------------- The mask that i wear is unsure. There never to find a known cure, so ill hide forever more. |
Posted By: teahstaysgold
Date Posted: August/10/2008 at 5:24pm
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i keep reading all these negative remarks about surface piercings.
what are the odds my body is going to reject mine? ive got 2 14g dermal anchors.
most people say they dont have problems until 7+ months after getting them done. are there any warning signs or anything?
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Posted By: CheeseStix
Date Posted: August/10/2008 at 5:37pm
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Read back through here for more info, but the usual warning signs are redness, soreness, etc. The chances of dermal anchors rejecting are much, much, lower than surface bars. As long as you take care of them, everything should be fine with dermal anchors. :D ------------- http://www.bodymod.org/profiles/profile~ID~29919.aspx">
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Posted By: Jenneee
Date Posted: August/17/2008 at 9:57pm
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Posted By: emmeroid
Date Posted: August/28/2008 at 1:49am
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i could do with a bit of advice... i had a surface piercing on my arm the start of this year, it got bruised, but didnt really hurt but i kept knocking it, and one night i hit it and bled. profusely. and wouldnt stop for ages. after a while it did and just stayed bruised. but anyway with much deliberation and pushing by my ex, i took it out, and it healed up then about two months ago, same time i got my septum pierced, i had it done again, and its fine. but still a little bruised from when i had it done last time thing is i get the occasional bit of blood, and it goes hard to move the bar, it happens rarely though, but i was wondering if its still ok? itdoesnt hurt until it goes funny heeeeeelp! ------------- You Do Something To Me That I Cant Explain, So Would I Be Out Of Line If I Said, I Miss You? |
Posted By: Carrie_p2005
Date Posted: August/28/2008 at 12:28pm
| Hard to say without seeing it myself. If it was still bruised from the last time, you shouldn't have had it repierced in the same spot. |
Posted By: emmeroid
Date Posted: August/28/2008 at 12:33pm
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the bruising has gone down now, but i get the odd day when i can see it last time i had a staple in it, but now i have a PTFE bar in so it doesnt catch as much, and feels a lot better ------------- You Do Something To Me That I Cant Explain, So Would I Be Out Of Line If I Said, I Miss You? |
Posted By: Yika
Date Posted: August/28/2008 at 9:05pm
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Posted By: Amulet
Date Posted: August/29/2008 at 10:41pm
| Hello all! It has been very interesting to read all of the posts on here. However, I do have to disagree with some of the comments on here. I trained as a piercer 2 years ago by somebody who was very experienced with surface piercings and taught me his techniques. As a result of this, I always use 1.6mm staples (surface bars) and recognise the stupidity of barbells or banana bars for this purpose. However, I DO use a needle and usually clamps as well. I have found this to be an effective method. Placement is of course an extremely important issue. I hope to learn to do microdermals soon as I do feel that these really are the way to go. I don't want to be responsible for scarring people up, but, as has been pointed out, a release form is signed as there is nothing the piercer can do to aid the healing process once the customer has left the studio. I do resent being told that I don't know what I am doing because I don't do dermal punches. I DO know what I am doing and have been well trained. I would not begin to do any piercing of which I was unsure as it would be unfair of me to practice on the paying public! There is more than one way to skin a cat, as the proverb goes. We can all learn from each other and employ the techniques that work for each of us, but we will never all do things the same way. As long as the jewellery and the placement is good then there is a good chance of success. |
Posted By: Yika
Date Posted: August/29/2008 at 10:47pm
| its nice to see that some ppl like to stick to the word but in my case he said he realy new how and there no other way nd well look at me now |
Posted By: Amulet
Date Posted: August/29/2008 at 10:51pm
| I'm pleased that you have had success with your piercings and not trying to diss anyone else. Just saying that there are people who know what they are doing with a needle! It doesn't take too long with a piercer to get to know whether or not they really know their stuff and give a shit about their customers. Many don't, it's true, but lots of us do care about our customers and the quality of their work. I am a perfectionist and am always willing to learn new ideas and techniques, but they don't always work for me! |
Posted By: AileenFritz
Date Posted: November/20/2008 at 2:10pm
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I think the whole surface piercing techniques issue is still a sore subject for ppl.. I initially learned to do surface piercings with a curved barbell like 8 years ago. I now know that that method sucks, LOL!! But Im still currently using needles and surface bars... Ive never used a punch so i have no opinion on that method. Ive had pretty good success rates with the needle & surface bar method but after the positive comments on the punch method i think Ill give it a try!!!! So thanks for opeining a new door for me.... ------------- **Chaos Under Control** |