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Topic: New Piercing Cleaning Controversy
Posted By: gvbullock
Subject: New Piercing Cleaning Controversy
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 2:03am
So 3 different piercing artists give you three different opinions on cleaning and care of a new piercing!

To soap or not to soap, yes on salt soak, no on salt soak,

yes on poly or neosporen, no on the shit,

Make sure and move the piercing during healing/ don't move it...awwwrg!!

So here is my present situation: several years ago I had a nipple piercing, i did the sea salt soak twice a day, and moved the piercing method as instructed by my piercer...my first one. I had nu clue what was right or wrong so I followed insturctions....it sucked! Didn't work, stayed sore, crusty etc for months. Took almost a full year to really heal fully.

5 days a go, i decide to dive in and get both a frenum and a lorum at the same time. first 4 days all very good. no bleeding, no pain, no leakage to speak of. This time per my piercing artist this time, don't use seat salt soak because it usually doesn't get rinsed out well and it dries out hhe tissues and slows the healing process, just use warm water and a little bit of antibacterial soap, but don't over do it on the soap.   Don't move them around leave them the hell alone. Well to be honest I did disturb the frenum a couple times, just couldn't help messing around a little) hey Im a guy, it's been a week! i was careful and gentle!) any way, no problems with the frenum, looks clean no crusties, doesn't hurt. Day 5 though the lorum suddenly becomes crusty , clceaned it several times in the last 24 hours and it just getting more and more crusty. Stil no pain to speak of, doesn't look swollen or red or infected really, but i'm freaking out about the oozing crusties all of a sudden when the frenum's doing just fine.

SO: do i go buy some sea salt tonight and switch to that and try it? Should I use some neo sporen because maybe it's starting to get infected? Do I just keep up with the warm water, and a little soap, and it'll take care of it self?

Sorry, I feel so stupid all of a sudden!



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Posted By: sweetkruelty
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 2:20am
I wouldnt use sea salt soak on such a sensitive area. It will dry and crystalize in the wound. I suggest you keep doing what you have been doing, maybe not rinsing the lorum so much with the soap, as the soap might have irritated it.
but thats what I would suggest...
But perhaps if it worries you that much you should just go to a clinic near by or back to your artist, have him/her check the piercings out, usually theyll tell you what they believe would be in the best interest for you to do, just whatever you do, do not take the piercings out. if you do, and the lorum is infected(which i doubt, below the belts are the quickest to heal), it could heal up and the infection could get trapped inside due to having no way to flush out, as the hole you had made was that way


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Posted By: ihaveonlyme
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 2:42am
yes sea salt soaks will dry a piercing. that's why you only use 1/8 teaspoon of salt and 4 oz water and not do it all the time. the other day we had a girl at the shop with an industrial. she was doing SSS every day since she got the piercing and it dried it out and was causing it to reject. i would recommend using the SSS 2 times a week. if soap is left in a fresh piercing it can cause problems.

i do  NOT recommend a clinic or hospital. 99% of the time they tell you it's infected and to take it out. even if it's not infected. go see your piercer. if it is infected your piercer will usually tell you to try something else and if that doesn't work you may have to take out the piercing.

over cleaning the piercing will also cause it to dry out. the piercing needs time to heal by itself.

do NOT use neosporin. anything like neosporin, rubbing alcohol, or hydrogen peroxide is bad for the piercing. neosporin does not allow the piercing to breath and heal.


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Posted By: gvbullock
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 2:44am
thanks, yeah there is no way this thing is coming out unless they tie me down and tear it out! I love it too much, just need to make sure I care for it properly so it heels. Maybe I'l call the piecer, the only problem with going in to see him, is his shop is in hawaii and I'm back on the mainland now! I think i'll just try clear water for the next day and see if there are any changes...thx for the hints...I will call him tomorrow, hadn't even thought of that...duh!

Thx again :)


Posted By: ihaveonlyme
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 2:47am
since you can't see the piercer go to a local piercer. usually piercers don't have a problem looking at a piercing even if they didn't do it. i'm an apprentice and we've had plenty of people coming in to have piercings looked at that were done at other shops.

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Posted By: gvbullock
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 2:49am
thanks, some more good thoughts. It's not really looking or feeling infected yet...at least i don't think so...but its very possible I haven't rinsed the soap out enough and I have been washing three times a day.

I'm definitely going to just rinse it really well and use just water for the next day and see what happens. thx.

Glad you both agreed on the salt....I definitely WON'T do the salt! thx :)


Posted By: ihaveonlyme
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 2:54am
no...i said DO the SSS twice a week

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Posted By: gvbullock
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 2:59am
thats a good idea, just wasn't sure if that was kosher or not...thx


Posted By: gvbullock
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 3:01am
oh, SSS means sea salt? kewl, then I'll pick some up...thx


Posted By: ihaveonlyme
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 3:02am
yep, SSS stands for sea salt soak

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Posted By: gvbullock
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 3:14am
thx


Posted By: Zaphod B
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 3:34am
Originally posted by ihaveonlyme


i'm not too sure about not taking the piercing out if it's infected. think about it. if the piercing is causing an infection is leaving it in the  best option? no. IF it's infected you need to remove the source of the infection...the jewelry


Actually maybe you should think about that a bit more. You're on the right track, sort of, you want to remove the source of the infection HOWEVER the source of the infection is NOT the jewelery but rather bacteria attacking a fresh open wound. You remove the piercing the holes close over but you then trap that infection inside of you causing an abscess. The best way to treat an infected piercing is antibiotics and you wont have to loose the piercing. If you have an infected piercing see your piercer see what he says sometimes all it is is a minor infection that with enough care will go away on it's own and then sometimes it needs treatment and you need antibiotics. But either way you never want to remove the jewelery until all signs of an infection are gone.

Also sss are very very very good for piercings most people either use too much salt to water ratio or they don't rinse the piercing well enough leaving salt in the wound, letting it recrystalise and cutting up the forming fistula as well as sucking all the moisture out and drying it up. I would say one sss a day and one or two plain warm water soaks as well as the warm water increases blood flow which will aid in healing the piercing. Oh and discontinue using the soap. The thing to remember about the sss is just rinse them very very very well, the thing I always do to rinse the piercing well is just do my soak before I get in the shower and then rinse it well in the shower. Polysporin is shit and wont let the piercing breath or ooze which helps trap infection in and alcohol, hydrogen peroxcide, and even soap are way way way to harsh and will just ry it out and delay healing.

Oh and one more thing oozing and crusties are completely normal as long as it's not some weird off color everything is ok. Some piercings can take a bit more time to start to crust up than others but crusties are very very normal all it is is lymph draining from the open wound as long as the ooze is a clearish color you'll be ok. Everything actually sounds pretty normal really and sounds like you're ok.


Posted By: Wallie
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 3:52am
+1 of all of the advice given. my lorem did the same thing when i went to my piercer as it currently being summer here sweat could be making it a bit crusty as well but they tole me to use this spray they got which seems to make piercings take longer to heal than just simple SSS. but go see a piercer and they should give you the best advice from looking at it.

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Posted By: Jeeennnnniiiii
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 5:19am
you complain that the sea salt method sucked because it took your piercing a year to heal, but nipples do take that long.

remember that different areas of the body take different lengths of time to heal. a tongue piercing can heal in 4 weeks, whereas nipples, navels and cartilage piercings take much longer.

don't jump straight to the conclusion that if it takes longer to heal, your aftercare isn't correct.

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Posted By: Uraniumhobo
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 5:44am
also neosporin isnt ment to be fore deep puncture wounds and if you ever notice it says if it doesnt work in 10 days see a doctor, which means that neosporin only has a shelf life of 10 days and piercings take much longer to heal, like what was said before it also keeps it from breathing

i swear by sea salt soaks

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Posted By: AlecTrosex
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 10:59am
Originally posted by sweetkruelty

I wouldnt use sea salt soak on such a sensitive area. It will dry and crystalize in the wound.

As long as you aren't heating up the water, and adding salt until no more salt will dissolve, that won't happen.
Originally posted by ihaveonlyme


yes sea salt soaks will dry a piercing.

i would recommend using the SSS 2 times a week.

if it is infected your piercer will usually tell you to try something else and if that doesn't work you may have to take out the piercing.

i'm not too sure about not taking the piercing out if it's infected. think about it. if the piercing is causing an infection is leaving it in the  best option? no. IF it's infected you need to remove the source of the infection...the jewelry


A properly mixed SSS will not dry out a piercing, as 1/4tsp to 8oz water is the same salinity as your body. It is called isotonic. The way this particular fluid transfer works is by osmosis through a selectively permeable membrane. In this case the membrane is your cell membrane. If you soak your skin in water that has a higher concentration of salt than your skin has, your cells will want to balance the two concentrations across the membrane, and will cause water to leave your cells. If your mixture is less saline than your skin, your cells will want to absorb some of the water, causing them to bloat.
Soaks can be done every day. I personally suggest taking a nice warm shower every day, for a brand new piercing two sea salt soaks a day, and during the majority of the healing process one soak per day. The wonderful thing about sea salt soaks, is that you can do them AS NEEDED. should you start feeling a bit crusty, as long as the mix is proper, and you don't soak for too long, you will do no harm by doing a SSS, and you can get rid of that gunk.
If you have an infection, removing the jewelry s a very bad idea. What will happen is that you will now have a puncture wound that will heal faster at the skin's surface than underneath it, and underneath the surface you have a bunch of bacteria. White blood cells will go to battle against the bacteria, many will die and leave their valiant little corpses strewn all over the battlefield. Their buddies will come in to get them, but OH NO! Those idiots at central command blocked off the roads! There's bacteria everywhere! They're in the trees man, they're comin' down outta the trees! There's no way out! And what you are left with is a huge bubble of rotting blood cells, sebum, and bacteria with nowhere to go. The scene jut gets worse from there. 



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Posted By: dreadyroots
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 11:22am
Originally posted by Uraniumhobo



i swear by sea salt soaks
 
 
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Posted By: gvbullock
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 1:36pm
Thanks all for the help, great thought s and advice! thanks again!


Posted By: Dnocules
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by AlecTrosex



If you have an infection, removing the jewelry s a very bad idea. What
will happen is that you will now have a puncture wound that will heal
faster at the skin's surface than underneath it, and underneath the
surface you have a bunch of bacteria. White blood cells will go to
battle against the bacteria, many will die and leave their valiant
little corpses strewn all over the battlefield. Their buddies will come
in to get them, but OH NO! Those idiots at central command blocked off
the roads! There's bacteria everywhere! They're in the trees man,
they're comin' down outta the trees! There's no way out! And what you
are left with is a huge bubble of rotting blood cells, sebum, and
bacteria with nowhere to go. The scene jut gets worse from there. 





I loved that illustration it made me laugh..

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Posted By: cindica
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 1:57pm


"If you have an infection, removing the jewelry s a very bad idea. What
will happen is that you will now have a puncture wound that will heal
faster at the skin's surface than underneath it, and underneath the
surface you have a bunch of bacteria. White blood cells will go to
battle against the bacteria, many will die and leave their valiant
little corpses strewn all over the battlefield. Their buddies will come
in to get them, but OH NO! Those idiots at central command blocked off
the roads! There's bacteria everywhere! They're in the trees man,
they're comin' down outta the trees! There's no way out! And what you
are left with is a huge bubble of rotting blood cells, sebum, and
bacteria with nowhere to go. The scene jut gets worse from there."

HaHaHa!!! nicely put AlecTrosex!!!!



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Posted By: ihaveonlyme
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 2:36pm
Originally posted by Zaphod B

Originally posted by ihaveonlyme


i'm not too sure about not taking the piercing out if it's infected. think about it. if the piercing is causing an infection is leaving it in the  best option? no. IF it's infected you need to remove the source of the infection...the jewelry


Actually maybe you should think about that a bit more. You're on the right track, sort of, you want to remove the source of the infection HOWEVER the source of the infection is NOT the jewelery but rather bacteria attacking a fresh open wound. You remove the piercing the holes close over but you then trap that infection inside of you causing an abscess. The best way to treat an infected piercing is antibiotics and you wont have to loose the piercing. If you have an infected piercing see your piercer see what he says sometimes all it is is a minor infection that with enough care will go away on it's own and then sometimes it needs treatment and you need antibiotics. But either way you never want to remove the jewelery until all signs of an infection are gone.

Also sss are very very very good for piercings most people either use too much salt to water ratio or they don't rinse the piercing well enough leaving salt in the wound, letting it recrystalise and cutting up the forming fistula as well as sucking all the moisture out and drying it up. I would say one sss a day and one or two plain warm water soaks as well as the warm water increases blood flow which will aid in healing the piercing. Oh and discontinue using the soap. The thing to remember about the sss is just rinse them very very very well, the thing I always do to rinse the piercing well is just do my soak before I get in the shower and then rinse it well in the shower. Polysporin is shit and wont let the piercing breath or ooze which helps trap infection in and alcohol, hydrogen peroxcide, and even soap are way way way to harsh and will just ry it out and delay healing.

Oh and one more thing oozing and crusties are completely normal as long as it's not some weird off color everything is ok. Some piercings can take a bit more time to start to crust up than others but crusties are very very normal all it is is lymph draining from the open wound as long as the ooze is a clearish color you'll be ok. Everything actually sounds pretty normal really and sounds like you're ok.


haha sorry about posting that one. i was a little buzzed and when i woke up i realized i said to take it out. i'm a dumbass. you should leave it in so the infection can drain out


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Posted By: angela___x
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 2:52pm
I was JUST thinking about posting a similar thread this morning...good thing I checked first. This is really, really helpful. Thank you!


Posted By: baronvongeiger
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 3:21pm
All I do is sea salt soaks. Dont move the peircing and always wash your hands before you touch it.


Posted By: gvbullock
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 4:41pm
AlecTrosex, what a great way to tell the story, you should be a writer! Maybe you are :) You could a book about body mod.... It sure made me laugh, and yet got the message across very very well!

I am certainly much less stressed about it now, and have great info from all of you!    

Ihaveonlyme: I'm glad you were having a good time, I should have knocked back a few martinis, I probably wouldn't have been quite so freaked out last night, it's all good :)


Posted By: Carrie_p2005
Date Posted: January/11/2009 at 11:14am
I agree with Alec.  Sea salt soaks are the ONLY thing I recommend for piercings, and the only thing I use on my own.  Sea salt solution, diluted correctly, will not dry out tissue.  The dryness is usually a result of oversoaking or soaking in water that is so warm it is irritating.  Dryness can also come from the iodine that most salt contains, so be sure to get something iodine-free.  Stay away from soaps of any kind, washing with soap will NOT get rid of the bacteria, but will leave residue inside the piercing, causing irritation.  Do not move the jewelry around any more than it does naturally, you will only be dragging crusted lymph and germs inside your piercing.  The oozing and crusting is perfectly normal, it is a sign of your body healing.  Some piercings will ooze quite a bit, and as long as there is no redness, swelling, and significant pain, you do not need to worry about infection.  I wouldn't worry too much about infection in that area anyway, as long as you are keeping dirty fingers and mouths away from the fresh piercing, infection in genetalia is very rare.  The excessive oozing and crusting that you are experiencing could very well be the result of irritation from using an antibacterial soap.


Posted By: NightWolf
Date Posted: January/11/2009 at 4:20pm
wow. this was the first thread I read today, and I'm pretty sure I learned about 6 things I didn't know before. thanks everyone for all the great advice.



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