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Rouslan
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Quote Rouslan Replybullet Posted: August/20/2008 at 4:57am

As a matter of fact it's legal to go nude in some places in the world as, for instance, in the city of Barcelona where nudity has been publicly and officially recognized legal (there is no anti-nudity law in Spain and Barcelona was the first place in Spain which explicitely transformed that lack of law into a clear text authorizing nudity everywhere in the city area).

As a matter of fact again, it's therefore funny to see that we, as a self-called open-minded web community refuse to ourselves the right to put in pictures of us representing what we are and our mods (with nothing vulgar or sexual) when it's just legal to go outside nude in some places in the world.
 
That is, in regard to nudity BodyMod.org is less open-minded that the government of Cataluna.
 
And still on the other hand, we like it to see on our front page pictures of genitals that would be considered way too gross for Hustler.
 
I post below the picture that was considered offensive or going against the site rules.
 
 
 
 
 
As a matter of fact, the percentage of me that is covered with mods is by far superior to the % of the picture involved by mods on front page. And the percentage of genitals on my picture is equal to maybe 0.2% while it's 90% on front page picture.


Edited by Rouslan - August/20/2008 at 5:03am
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Quote CheeseStix Replybullet Posted: August/20/2008 at 7:01am
Just can't let anything drop Rouslan?
Rules are the way they are, people are the way they are. No matter what you do, how you act, how you look, etc. Someone will always be offended. As much as we are an "open-minded" community, we aren't perfect.
As such rules have been put in place. Could we please just try follow them?
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Quote Rouslan Replybullet Posted: August/20/2008 at 7:17am

"Rules are the way they are, people are the way they are. No matter what you do, how you act, how you look, etc. Someone will always be offended. As much as we are an "open-minded" community, we aren't perfect.
As such rules have been put in place. Could we please just try follow them?"

I guess this is exactly what your superior would say to you while firing you after you'd got some visible tattoo in a corporate job.
 
"Just can't let anything drop Rouslan?"
 
When I'm right, never. Just a question of principle.


Edited by Rouslan - August/20/2008 at 7:19am
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Quote CheeseStix Replybullet Posted: August/20/2008 at 7:28am
Lol. I'm running out of ideas here.. it's 5:20 Am.. I just got off work.
However, winning the arguement gains you nothing... so, no skin off my back.
It's not even a matter of what's right, and what's wrong. You said it yourself, quite a while ago. You stated that you would never hire a highly modified individual for your business, since you need to keep the customers happy, and that could bother them.
Well, BodyMod.org is the store, and the members are the customers. It's a site "By you, For you". The majority have stated (of those that post.. we can't force everyone to say their piece) that they would prefer to not have genitals shown in display pics, thus it is. Like many other rules, it doesn't need to be fair, it doesn't need to be fun, and you don't have to like it. Just do it.
There are quite a few rules like this. How about multiple posts of a single mod now being allowed. I hate that rule, so do quite a few others I've talked to. However, we don't kill vote pictures as duplicates, just because we don't agree with the rule. Wether we like it or not, when Adam hands down a rule, the majority of the site follows that rule, or is moderated. You're not special, no matter how many people seem to think so. You bleed like the rest of us, your blood is perhaps just a little fancier, and probably makes nice patterns when it drips. :P
If you have an issue with the rules, perhaps you should be taking this up with someone who can affect changes in those rules, instead of hosting this pointless rebellion.
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Quote Rouslan Replybullet Posted: August/20/2008 at 8:03am

Where do you see rebellion Cheese?

The only thing I've done until today was pointing out how the situation, or the actual rules can be sometimes absurd. Nothing more, nothing less. There's no rebellion, there's not a single demand for anything else. I'm just finding it absurd. Where's rebellion in my words? Are humor and a slightly different and quite cartesian way to see things a threat to the site rules?
 
Again, my goal isn't to argue, just to point out absurd facts. You want more absurdity? Let's go.
 
There are real, serious issues on Bodymod that nobody gives a shit about. For instance, in such a community like bodymod, professional tattoo artists and piercers should be the core of the community - if you expect it to be more than - as I already said - a fancy facebook for teens with notril studs. Which it tends to be today.
 
Still, most pros tend to leave after a while because the bodymod pro status is awarded to anybody posting a mod in portfolio section. Still it's easy to know who's a pro and who's not : you're a pro when you make your living out of it... so why should pros feel nice on a site where they try to give good advice but where the first kid having posted a self-done ear-ring will appear as much a pro as them to other people? Isn't it a clear lack of respect to those who commited all their life to bodymods?
 
Second problem. Look at first page today : you've got, as a featured artist, a 17 year old girl who's been "a pro since she's 14". Wow. Gives certainly the best image of our community in terms of professionalism, responsibility, not even talking about legal issues.
 
That are, to my eyes, some of the real problems that will turn off serious people from the site. Maybe I'm not special. Maybe people like Kcir or Xevious are not special. But when you'll get rid of most pros on the site, you'll reach that point for real : facebook for teens with nostril studs.
 
"You're not special, you bleed like the rest of us". Whatever activity you may pick up, let's say... tennis, karate or body arts, people are NOT equal. When you organize Roland Garros, despite of the fact that Nadal and Federer bleed like the rest of people, they ARE special for tennis. In any dojo, people will automatically respect your rank/dans and let you enter a room first and get out first if your dan is higher despite that in toilet we all pee and poo. And in a tattoo convention tattoo artists also are just humans, but they are not treated as customers by organizers, which is logical because those 40 artists are the only reason why 10000 people come to the convention.
 
If you want to have a community where everybody is equal no matter their involvement to mods and if you don't give a shit about them being pros or not, it's not a bodymod site. It's something else. A social gathering, a "how to cook an egg" website, but not a body mod website anymore.
 
We are equal as human beings, but as modders we're not. Some people are heavily involved, some are pros, and some are customers in a shop. If you get rid of the tattoo artist and of the piercer in a shop, there's nobody left to do the mods.
 
A bodymod community without mod artists is like a football match with no ball. Absurd and pointless. And that is what I'd love to talk for real. That's what many of my posts have been about those months. Taking part in some kind of reflexion to try to make things better. But as usual, nobody will give a shit about it, the thread will be derailed with pointless babble, then it will go down in the forum columns being submerged by games threads an other random stuff, with the whole site getting everyday closer to being just another social network as opposed to what it used to be two or three years ago when tana was active, that is a real bodymod website.
 
 


Edited by Rouslan - August/20/2008 at 8:30am
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Quote you-fail-me Replybullet Posted: August/20/2008 at 12:01pm
For once I agree with everything Rouslan said.

In particular about the 17 year old 'pro'.
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Quote Yika Replybullet Posted: August/20/2008 at 12:29pm
things change and im sorry but thats the way thing go .i hate it when i see little prissy girls walk into a tattoo shop and now there all hard core because they have a tattoo. but you now what we have to deal with it if we want the world to except us more and make us feel more equal. im sure we will get over the nudty pics and ur will beable to have them back. but you have to talk to Adam; some one that can do something about it not just use. make it your point to talk to him about all of your points and i am sure he will lisen and find what he can do to make it better.
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Quote Jeeennnnniiiii Replybullet Posted: August/20/2008 at 12:33pm
errrr this thread was made for people to put up the links of those who have such display pictures so the moderators can find them.

i didn't create it to be a chat thread.

so can people shut up please?
well i might have somethin' to say about that, space man!
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Quote CheeseStix Replybullet Posted: August/20/2008 at 3:53pm
Sorry Jeeennnniiii, we'll go to PM's
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Quote kcir Replybullet Posted: August/20/2008 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by Rouslan


Still, most pros tend to leave after a while because the bodymod pro status is awarded to anybody posting a mod in portfolio section. Still it's easy to know who's a pro and who's not : you're a pro when you make your living out of it... so why should pros feel nice on a site where they try to give good advice but where the first kid having posted a self-done ear-ring will appear as much a pro as them to other people? Isn't it a clear lack of respect to those who commited all their life to bodymods?

 

Second problem. Look at first page today : you've got, as a featured artist, a 17 year old girl who's been "a pro since she's 14". Wow. Gives certainly the best image of our community in terms of professionalism, responsibility, not even talking about legal issues.



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