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Total Mods: 4 Joined: April/06/2007 Posts: 134 |
Posted: September/28/2008 at 10:20pm |
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Meh. I'm not offended, but I do think he was out of line in his approach to addressing it.
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Total Mods: 11 Joined: January/03/2006 Location: United States Posts: 225 |
Posted: September/28/2008 at 10:23pm |
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what i think it comes down to is the site has changed A LOT since it was started. the addition of the games category definently starts of a lot of non mod chatting and the more people that come on here the more socializing goes on.. and since the site has grown its increased. I Feel like there have been lots of mod questions asked just the amount of general chit chat stuff has topped it. I checked the site about the same time you did Rouslan and saw the same thing, but i realized if i checked the site this often two years ago there would be NO NEW TOPICS/NO NEW POSTS. I think the general chit chat is good because it makes for a more inviting community and encourages people to ask more questions. I have to admit when i first joined this site two years ago it seemed very exclusive. ya, there are definentley topics i consider dumb but to each their own.. if you arn't interested in it don't read it. ok end of my rant
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Total Mods: 66 Joined: May/18/2008 Posts: 1587 |
Posted: September/29/2008 at 1:08am |
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reminds me of another topic you started rousy
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Ah ha-ha, chess. The ancient contest of wits. Two opponents: mano a mano. Braino a braino. And look: magnets for ease of travel. You could play chess on the moon.
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Total Mods: 118 Joined: February/20/2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2675 |
Posted: September/29/2008 at 1:18am |
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if you don't like the unrelated forums, don't read them. i often stick to body modification related or BodyMod.org related threads myself, but i do peep in and out of unrelated topics as well, but i personally enjoy the related ones better, so i stick with them, plain and simple.
i too won't remove this forum, because we are all entitled to our opinion, and that is why the stupid forums stay as well. we all should have the right and ability to post what we want (within reason of course. outright bashing or rudeness or any form of offensive material will be taken care of accordingly) without having to worry about censorship. if we think such a topic like "are facial tattoos stupid?" voice your opinion about it. there's a lot i don't agree with and there's a lot out there that i have different opinions about, but that is why we are all here to come together and discuss it. sure i could go and remove all the topics out there that are just plain dumb, but then what's the point of even posting or giving an opinion? we moderators are not rachel when she had unrightfully taken BME and ModBlog over last year. we don't remove or edit things to our own liking nor to anyone else's specific tastes but adam's. this site has gone through many changes over the years and with more people will come more stupid and unrelated topics. people don't always wish to discuss modification related things and that's how it will always be. all you can do is go about things the way you want to, really. make the posts you like and ignore the ones you wish not to be a part of. |
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Total Mods: 6 Joined: April/26/2008 Posts: 769 |
Posted: September/29/2008 at 1:24am |
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(LOL snorts) god cheese you should be a politician i agree with ya ... ross fully is a contradiction and not in a punk way...... nice try mate......... Also retard boy i get 500+ looks at any topic i start within the first day ..... If people are here then Adam should be happy and one day sell the sight to google or some shit .... rousy everything pure die`s its how the world works so fuck of and start you own sight or deal with it...... **edited to remove double post... GRRR! Edited by CheeseStix - September/29/2008 at 1:42am |
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Total Mods: -1 Joined: July/16/2005 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 1412 |
Posted: September/29/2008 at 3:29am |
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Ok, so let's go for a nice answer. "On another note, if you want to whine about it so much, instead of creating ANOTHER non-mod related thread, how about you start SOLVING the problem, by making mod related threads, instead of adding to it.. That's exactly like removing the salt from the sea by adding unsalted water to it. What a thought. "then again i'm a firm believer in acting on something to change it if you don't it like rather than stop at moaning about it." (Metalbabe) What is starting a topic to talk about it ? Is it moaning or acting on it? "I too won't remove this forum, because we are all entitled to our opinion, and that is why the stupid forums stay as well. We all should have the right and ability to post what we want (within reason of course. outright bashing or rudeness or any form of offensive material will be taken care of accordingly) without having to worry about censorship. if we think such a topic like "are facial tattoos stupid?" voice your opinion about it. there's a lot i don't agree with and there's a lot out there that i have different opinions about, but that is why we are all here to come together and discuss it." (Eaten) Oh ... still I don't understand how such topics like "are tattoos trashy on females" or "is tattooing the whole face stupid" are doing on the site. Ain't they rude, offensive? When Hellboy69 posted the topic "is tattooing the whole face stupid", I posted a poll named "is Hellboy69 stupid", to which everybody but Hellboy69 answered yes. This topic was rapidly removed because it was derogatory. To which I agree. Still I don't understand why asking it about a member may be considered derogatory, but asking the same thing about a specific mod or a gender is not. Eaten, Cheese, can you explain me with simple words why a poll named "Is Hellboy69 stupid" was moderated, and why the two previous ones were not? Because my topic was personal and those directed against a certain kind of mods or a gender were not? If it's just a question of being personal attacks, I guess I should post a topic like "are all Canadian BodyMod moderators with long hair stupid ?" for instance. Nothing personal involved in it, and you'll certainly be quite happy to see that topic day after day. Right? Then, back to the initial question. A lot of nice people that used to be active simply are fed up with what they find here daily. Again, despite of the fact that the site is bodymod orientated, most pros who tried to become active here simply left, or became silent. Why? How did it all happen like this? InkedNation for instance, which isn't so much bigger than Bodymod, has attracted hundreds of tattoo artists, top tattoo artists who are discussing technique, showing off daily their best works, sell their businesses, hire people, talk, meet... why do Bodymod totally failed and fails on a daily basis to attract pros? Here I'm not putting emphasis on pros saying that they are worth more as human beings than other people. Of course we're all human beings. Still, in a moded community, pros are the core. Imagine a shop without piercers and tattoo artists, with just the customers ... meaningless, right? Well that's what we managed to build here as a community. Why? Well we started not so long ago a discussion about the pro status. That would help of course. Still, that's not enough to attract serious people. Like it or not, Bob Tyrell came and registered, Shannon Laratt came and registered, Lukas Zpira came and registered, same for Tim Kern. That is, we had some huge names of the industry (not even talking about hundreds of worthy artists) who came in, had a look and decided not to take part in the community. why? Well you have some part of the answer in my reaction. I think that if a top tattoo artist comes and sees that the two only active topics about tattoo are "are tattoo trashy on females" and "is tattooing the whole face stupid", he'll leave instantly because he won't feel in the right place. I think that you, moderators, need to moderate more and avoid quite strictly any topic being judgmental or derogatory to any form of mods. Not necessarily delete them, maybe sometimes rename them. But still, bringing the site to a higher level relies significantly on the moderators. Then, we're doing lots of positive brainstorming those days. Thinking about creating a pro status, an active member status (that should by the way automatically be granted to any pro once their pro status is certified), giving out ideas, and the inevitable answer to it is that Adam codes everything, and that Adam doesn't have the time to do it. To which I have a fairly decent proposition : how about GNUing bodymod? How about open sourcing the code, discussing ethic problems together like we did about pro status and active member status - which was very good - and then have people being able to take part in the coding as well, and Adam mainly checking up the work and compiling the versions? We quite certainly have quite a bunch of ASP coders here. I'm sure that some would be quite enthusiastic about it. Oh ... Cheese. Thanx for your remarks about my "inane comments" and my "foolishness". That's also part of the things you may want to change to help the site being bigger and better : avoid personal attacks as a moderator. So on the whole :
1) Open source the code and do collaborative coding
2) More serious and active moderating, getting rid of anything judgmental towards mods. Deleting such negative topics like the ones I showed that give a bad image. Quite certainly more moderators than today, and at least one or two pros amongst them. Best moderator here was by far Adam Skipper (please to other ones don't take offense), and the fact he's a pro quite certainly explains a lot of it.
3) Creating rapidly a pro status.
4) Creating rapidly the active member status. Edited by Rouslan - September/29/2008 at 3:47am |
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Total Mods: 42 Joined: January/11/2005 Location: Malta Posts: 5378 |
Posted: September/29/2008 at 3:50am |
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To reply to you, i consider starting this topic as moaning and not acting. acting would've been starting body modification related threads in most areas of the forum. or at least in one or two.
as regards the pros, i think that that, strictly speaking, isn't directly related to the whole forum system - but should be more of a concern to the pro forum itself. after all it's the palce where pros can discuss technique, style, supplies and whatnot privately. anything outside that area of the forums is open to the general public. thus most likely to be considered as a waste of time by the aforementioned big names, who have replied in the same manner to the same few questions gods know how many times, and who dread the moment they gotta reply to that same exact question all over again. i do not think that the 2 tattooing polls were meant to be rude. the "are tattoos on women trashy" was started by a woman as a result to a comment her boyfriend [now ex] passed regarding his point of view. it is a thread with a lot of positivity and support. the facial tattoo one - well, to be quite honest, i think everyone got used to taking hellboy lightly. as you know, i love facial tattoos and want one myself. however people with facial tattoos are in the minority, therefore it definitly wasn't a personal attack, since he didn't name it "Is Rouslan's face tattoo stupid?" or "Is Yika's face tattoo stupid" or whoever else owns a facial tat. The example about Canadian Long Haired Moderators you gave isn't relevant, since it would be directly aimed at both eatenplacenta and CheeseStix, just not mentioning their names outright. His was more of a debate. whilst he may not be the most articulate person ever, i really don't think it was created for any other reason aside from debate. Edited by metalbabe - September/29/2008 at 3:52am |
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Total Mods: -1 Joined: July/16/2005 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 1412 |
Posted: September/29/2008 at 4:06am |
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Like it or not, Rosa, a train goes nowhere without a locomotive. In our community, locomotives are the pros. And pros is exactly what's totally lacking here on Bodymod. Pros would post a lot of nice topics, about their ideas, their best works... Pros are those who make the mods. And Bodymod, despite of huge traffic, almost never manages to catch their attention.
I'm just trying to give hints to help making things better. Go and have a look on InkedNation, count the active tattoo artists, come back here and compare. Have a look at the topics over there, try to see how many artists post their works in progress and best pieces... well compare.
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Total Mods: 5 Joined: May/16/2008 Posts: 278 |
Posted: September/29/2008 at 4:12am |
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This is what you get with freedom of speech: freedom of speech
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Total Mods: 42 Joined: January/11/2005 Location: Malta Posts: 5378 |
Posted: September/29/2008 at 4:19am |
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i have had an account on inked nation for a couple of years and never really used it - the site isn't user friendly, and feels too much like myspace.
thing is, you're preaching to the choir. most of 'us' are not pros, thus we can only post so much before becoming seemingly pretentious. why not take matters in your own hands and rather than complaining, start up interesting topics? you ARE a pro after all. i'm not. i cannot be expected to start talking on a technical level - my knowledge is very limited, thus it would be inappropriate. i'm fairly sure that with the limited knowledge i have on technicalities, i still know more than your average joe. think of how beyond their level the majority would find it. we are at the receiving end of the stick here, thus we can't really have a say on how to hold this proverbial stick. whoever came and left, if they left cos they weren't attracted to the forums, they should've done something about it. then again, kcir might not be around all that much due to outside forces, not necessarily boredom. i think Carrie is the most active pro when it comes to the forums in general. she takes the time to give advice to 'newbies' and 'modders with quite a few ntoches on their belt' alike. maybe you should follow suit, and discuss with other pros about how there needs to be more participation from their side? |
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