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Amadameus
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Quote Amadameus Replybullet Topic: Getting a brand - asking for help
    Posted: September/10/2008 at 11:31am
Hello all - I'm Amadameus. I'm pretty new to the whole bodymod scene, I don't have any piercings or tattoos. HOWEVER...

I have been planning for almost 9 months now to get a gear branded onto my left chest (upper pectoral, centered between the collarbone and nipple) but I was doing my homework and realized there's a lot of stuff I don't know.

Up until I started looking around online, my plan was "Jake can cut some sheet metal in a gear shape, we heat it up nice and hot, press it on - what could possibly go wrong?" Dunce

Ha ha ha, ha ha. Yeah.

Well anyway, I've included a link to the image that is my final version for the gear. I was originally thinking I would make it about 2-3" in diameter, but that is where you guys come in.

I know that scars tend to heal with more width than the original brand, so at what point would I begin to lose detail in the brand? Something like 2" seems to me like it would heal as a blob, and anything larger than 3" seems like it would be difficult to press effectively.

The above thoughts are, of course, for a solid hot brand. Another good option would be an electrocautery tool, but I have not found anyone in the area that offers this. Would it be wise to break the gear up into several smaller strikes?

On another note, Keloiding. I have seen some rather raised and rounded keloids on scars, and want to stay away from that as much as possible. Many scars I've seen (and some that I have myself) have an attractive, fibrous kind of keloiding instead. Does anyone know what conditions produce either kind of scar tissue, and what I can do to ensure I create the latter instead of the former?

I know that I'm kind of small and stupid when it comes to this stuff, but I care very much about the outcome of this brand, and so I want to make sure that it ends up with the most detail and most 'clean' looking scar I can manage.

Here is the link to the image:
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gearv2cleanxh1.gif

Thank you all so much for taking the time to read!
-Amadameus
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Quote freak_nutcase Replybullet Posted: September/10/2008 at 12:05pm
I recommend going for diathermic branding as it causes less spreading of the actual scarring, it is effectively lasering a brand onto you. Strike branding (where you get the hot metal and press it to your skin) is not so effective as it can spread because the skin can carry on burning for 3 days afterwards (aloe vera can help this, it removes heat from the wound) It is worth finding a modifier who does diathermic branding as the results in the long run would be better. The keloiding you mention can be controlled by how much you irritate the brand once it's done.
 
I can't really help anymore than this as i don't have any experience with branding, i learnt all this from spending a weekend with my piercer :P
 
EDIT: I meant to say Diathermic...not electrocautery


Edited by freak_nutcase - September/10/2008 at 4:08pm
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Quote jim01 Replybullet Posted: September/10/2008 at 4:11pm
   i have been a sheet metal worker for 36 yrs you need some thing heavier then sheet metal it will warp when you put the heat to it.you'll have to use at least 1/4 inch to told it's shape and at that i don't know if it will stay flat enough for the detail you want
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Quote Amadameus Replybullet Posted: September/10/2008 at 4:19pm
Thanks much for the help - I think it's pretty much set, a few people I've talked to IRL have also confirmed that a brand of the size I'm thinking would be difficult/impossible to do as a single piece.

So I guess the only decision left is between strike branding and a diathermic pen... I guess it depends on what I have available as far as parlors in the area.

I have seen/heard of many people doing many things to irritate the wounds - what do you know of that causes little/no keloiding of the bubbly type? (I would post this in the aftercare section but I don't think it's worth a whole new thread)
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Quote BrandonV Replybullet Posted: September/10/2008 at 5:05pm
If you can make it to a convention next month in Chicago. Shawn O'hare from my shop will be there and could do either electro-cautery or thermal-cautery branding which are both better options then what have been listed in my opinion. I seen that you are located in Beloit, that should only be about 1hr and 48 minutes according to mapquest. 

Edited by BrandonV - September/10/2008 at 5:11pm
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Quote noxious Replybullet Posted: September/10/2008 at 7:44pm
Looking at your image I would be surprised if the 'teeth' on the wheel would show well with any form of branding - even with cautery branding - unless you are planning a BIG brand. (I haven't seen how fine diathermic can achieve, that might work but I can only find shitty little pictures online ).

IMHO - You won't get a good outcome if you strike brand that design at 2-3" diameter. You need to allow for scar expansion which can be 100%.

Also be aware that the sternum is an area of the body that is more susceptible to hypertrophic or keloid scarring than other parts. (Also see your other thread about the scar outcome).
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