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Rhuin
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Quote Rhuin Replybullet Posted: December/14/2008 at 12:05pm
This just makes me so glad that despite both my parents being ministers, they don't mind how I look or how pierced I am (mum's not big on tattoos, but that's more to do with permanacy and jobs than anything to do with God)
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Quote Shelliokin Replybullet Posted: December/14/2008 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by Lunch_Box_Ink


2)  The references in the bIble tword modification is COMPLETLEY out of context and is NOT the same as what we do.  It referse to religous, or pagan practices that were to "false Gods" and other such things that would have been considerd against God in THAT TIME!  Alot of what the Bible speaks has to do with that era and thier culture.  the way and reasons we pierce ourself, or most of us pierce ourselfs are not at all the same as what the Bible speaks about.
God's concern is with a person's heart and spirit!  not a temporary dying flesh sack that holds the soul for a time that is only going to die and decay anyway



Honestly, most of what's in the Bible is taken out of context and the vast majority of it doesn't apply to our modern society. Period. I am a Christian, I go to church regularly, I'm glad to talk about it with anyone who wants to talk with me. I'm a body modification enthusiast. I also ate pork for breakfast (the Bible says we shouldn't do that, as it is "dirty" meat) and I don't kill two pigeons every time I start my period (which the Bible says I should do).

Honestly, there are more understanding and accepting Christians out there than there are judgmental ones, especially (in my experience) when it comes to piercings and tattoos. The problem is that you only hear about the unaccepting ones. I think of it the same way I think of bad news -- I like it when there's bad news, because the minute they start reporting mostly good news, it means the bad news isn't news any more, it's commonplace.

I fully agree with Lunch Box... God really doesn't care about what you look like as long as what's on the inside is good. He doesn't so much look at what's done as the intent behind it.

Edited by Shelliokin - December/14/2008 at 12:23pm
And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
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Quote Flogger Replybullet Posted: December/14/2008 at 4:52pm
I just get really pissed off when I read stuff like this, just like I get sad about todays people and how they interpret religion. And I love religion, ALL religion, just the phenomena of religion is beautiful IMO, but as mentioned earlier...few faiths have to do with physical appearance, mostly it's about heart.


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Quote justinpendleton Replybullet Posted: December/14/2008 at 5:26pm
Lunch_Box_Ink said everything!

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom. Blake, William. That's really all you need to know. That and "Don't dream it, be it!"
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Quote lil lucifer Replybullet Posted: December/14/2008 at 5:56pm
Gen 35:4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which [were] in their hand, and [all their] earrings which [were] in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which [was] by Shechem.
Exd 32:2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which [are] in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring [them] unto me.
Exd 32:3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which [were] in their ears, and brought [them] unto Aaron.
Exd 35:22 And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, [and] brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered [offered] an offering of gold unto the LORD.
Num 31:50 We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD.
Jdg 8:24 And Gideon said unto them, I would desire a request of you, that ye would give me every man the earrings of his prey. (For they had golden earrings, because they [were] Ishmaelites.)
Jdg 8:25 And they answered, We will willingly give [them]. And they spread a garment, and did cast therein every man the earrings of his prey.
Jdg 8:26 And the weight of the golden earrings that he requested was a thousand and seven hundred [shekels] of gold; beside ornaments, and collars, and purple raiment that [was] on the kings of Midian, and beside the chains that [were] about their camels' necks.
Isa 3:20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,
Eze 16:12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
Hsa 2:13 And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers, and forgat me, saith the LORD.


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Quote zombiemaster Replybullet Posted: December/14/2008 at 8:58pm
Thus we come to the "old testament" "new testament" arguement which I really dont feel like getting into.

Truth be told I hate discussing theology with people because everyones views are different. Lunch box hit it really close as did shelli, what went on then is completely different than now. Pork is a dirty meat to the Jewish, not the prodestant, and if not for that, pig farmers would go broke.

 Ear piercing and tattooing have been around for centuries, it all comes down to your reasoning. If one were to say "im going to have my ears pierced to defy you God." Then yes, that would be a sin I suppose. But doing it to decorate your body, your temple, I assume wouldnt be.

If a simple piercing (facial or otherwise) can shake a persons faith in God or whatever other being they choose to follow, then, that person didnt have much faith at all did they? And if ridicule by hard-nose, up tight, hypocritical "christians" about your body modifications makes you question your faith or yourself as a person then you never had much faith, did you?

 



Edited by zombiemaster - December/14/2008 at 11:21pm
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Quote josh1212 Replybullet Posted: December/15/2008 at 12:42am
Dude I seriously dont care anymore about the christian faith its so shallow and unknown there's literally so many religons of christianity alone. I tendto like christians that are more left wing and open minded, though what ever ima have to deal with the GOP people when I go to missisouri in a few days with a 0g nose, religon is an unknown theory, dont take what they say to the limit people, just live and be kind thats pretty much it. And remeber no one but yourself is the judge of yourself
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Quote Braids Replybullet Posted: December/15/2008 at 12:59am
im just glad that my church isnt like this. the people there dont say its a sin or anything to have piercings/stretched lobes, in fact they seem more interested in how its done or remark how beautiful it is (like if im wearing glasswear or something) or just dont pay attention. i dont really know their stance on tattoos though mostly because i am the most modified person at my church and still lack any ink...im sure i would get some shit if i had a scarification or branding or a subdermal or something along those lines tho...
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Quote Uraniumhobo Replybullet Posted: December/15/2008 at 1:02am
josh1212 i thought id be hassled for all the stuff i have when i moved here and to missisippi but i really didnt at all, id say wait and see the people they will suprise you
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Quote SteveSirenic Replybullet Posted: December/15/2008 at 1:09am
Topics like this make me happy that I don't believe in a god. I don't have to get into these kind of arguments over nothing. haha
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