Very good point Jawbonz !  +1

Originally posted by Jawbonz BlueTroll, There are a couple bits of information on the net that I feel lend significant credibility to something internal to this country being at the heart of those events. Search for the torrent of WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf and 911_Eyewitness_(New_Raw_Footage_and_AV_Analysis).avi There are parts of me that feel bin Laden is a farce, and the irony is that the US trained him to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.  Suddenly, he amasses huge financial backing and the coordination capabilities of launching such a broad attack on so many targets in such a short period of time with such devastating results?  I'm just not buying it.  You have affiliate groups in Iraq that can't seem to do any better than car bombs and IEDs, yet this group of men integrated in society within the US, trained to become pilots and managed to hijack a slew of airliners, attacking several key targets in a region within the country. Just...not...buying...it.

Okay. If those things were TRULY what happened, do you think the United States Intelligence would actually LEAVE THEM online for the world to see?
I somehow don't think so. Not at all. It'd blow their cover. If that actually happened, and disproved what the USA is telling you, they'd take it down immediately and arrest whoever did it. The USA doesn't like when people fuck with them.
It's a fucking video on the Internet.
I don't know what happened, sure, I'd like to know, but guess what. That's not something they make readily available to the general public. So I'm not going to sit here and go "the US didn't do it" or "the US did do it!" because I don't know who was responsible.
In all honesty, maybe US Intelligence doesn't KNOW what happened that day yet. I know NORAD failed 4 times, I don't buy it that Flight 93 was "taken down" by the passengers immediately after a "shoot down" order was put out. I can say, hey, I don't think that's what happened. But is it fact? Definitely not. It might be, but with nothing to prove it, it's not a fact, its a speculation, a theory.
Until the USA releases the facts, we're not going to know. (They usually wait 50-60 years after the incident to release what really happened so that nobody is incriminated, and most of the people involved are dead or senile.. ie: JFK, and Lincoln.)
Go ahead and have your theories, I have mine, but they are NOT facts.
Also, indulge me, what is the motivation for the USA to attack itself?
I am also mildly amused that 90% of the "yes" people aren't American.
Do note, I am not a yes or a no, I am a I don't know and probably never will.

This thread wasn't an argument nor was it meant to be it was simply a poll. I have stated my facts in other threads about this. There has been way too much of an attempt at cover up by the united states government. Why are they keeping so much a secret. The sad thing is it is much more deep rooted then that. Watch the movie zeitgeist. My government sucks. My country sucks. I stay here because it is where my family and friends are. If my family and friends were in china and that is where I was born then that is likely where I would be posting from. I served my country for nearly four years and was kicked out of the military for asking too many questions. Questions they didn't have answers for. True leaders work for peace. As MLK Jr said the greatest purveyor of violence in the world: my own government, I cannont be silent.

we're just the little people that usually pay for the big boys mistakes!!

Originally posted by freetobeme http://www.bodymod.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11398&PN=1 That is the original thread!!

there is one that was even older from earlier in the year or possibly last year? I believe Glimmi started it and it was later deleted? around the same time as the JFK assassination thread (which i was disappointed when i went to Dallas and saw the memorial) and the man on the moon thread. I know i got flamed hard on not agreeing it was a conspiracy. And what constitutes involvement? Do i think The US physically did anything? No. Do i believe they knew and did nothing? possibly. I'm 22, from the US. And Uranium is correct...whether or not there was involvement, it was still a tragedy.


Edited by blackshorts - November/25/2008 at 6:02pm