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   <title>Surface Piercings : I hada vertical bridgefor eight...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18971">Cale</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January/05/2009 at 4:01pm<br /><br />I had&nbsp;a vertical bridge&nbsp;for eight months, but I've seen them last longer and shorter than that. I had severe scarring and have an awesome mark on my face, which I tried to cleverly cover with a tattoo. If you're worried about scarring, I wouldn't go through with it unless you find a reputable piercer. But even then, it doesn't mean you won't have problems with it.]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:01:35 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : What is the rejection rate on...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=141791">zymotic</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January/04/2009 at 9:49pm<br /><br />What is the rejection rate on vertical bridge piercings? I want one but I would be afraid of it rejecting and creating an unsightly scar in the middle of my face.]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:49:34 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : +1 again!lol.i need to know if...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=122292">LipsticStardust</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January/04/2009 at 4:12pm<br /><br />+1 again!lol.i need to know if my Christina can be changed to a surface staple.I currently dont have any probs with it(4-5mos)but that sounds more comfy.]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:12:16 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : I have my nape pierced with a...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=138415">vampmorag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January/04/2009 at 3:37pm<br /><br />I have my nape pierced with a PTFE bar. No, its not shaped liked a surface bar, its straight.&nbsp;Ive had it for ages and it seems to have healed fine. I've not had any problems with it.&nbsp;Im guessing it'll probs grow out eventually, but do u think there is any chance at all to save it by getting a piercer to&nbsp;change it to a surface bar? Thanx]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:37:32 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : hummm can&amp;#039;t open the links...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=133872">AntoParanoia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December/17/2008 at 6:50pm<br /><br />hummm can't open the links monatana piercer put in the biggining of this thread, and i'll love to be able to look at those pages..... does anyone have the same problem???how can i fix it?<br><br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:50:37 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : it&amp;#039;s ok  </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=130311">Chiarax79</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December/11/2008 at 10:46am<br /><br />it's ok]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:46:31 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : +1.Kudos!Can&amp;#039;t be more well...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=122292">LipsticStardust</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December/03/2008 at 4:43pm<br /><br />+1.Kudos!<br>Can't be more well said.<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:43:07 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : agreed.the two sides of my ribs...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=136884">Dan Gilliver</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December/01/2008 at 4:18pm<br /><br />agreed.<br><br>the two sides of my ribs play testimony to this.<br><br>The one side, I had done by a good friend working in a Blue Banana piercing parlour in the UK, and I've had these in now for over 3 years, and they still show no signs of migration (pics available on my profile).<br><br>The other side, however, was done by another girl working at the same store, who I dont think had been working there for long.<br>She did this without supervision, and a few weeks after, they migrated completely, and scarred badly.<br><br>I must admit this was partly my own fault for not getting an advanced peircing done by a trusted and fully qualified peircer.<br><br>But Montana makes a very good point, there are too many people out there thinking it's just like doing any other piercing, and it's definately like playing the lottery if you don't get these kinda things done by someone who knows exactly what they're doing, and have got certificates to back it up! <img src="/smilies/greybiggrin.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20Grin" /><br><br>cheers Montana, well said!<br><br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:18:17 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : i very recently just had my first...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=138092">tokus</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November/30/2008 at 12:06pm<br /><br />i very recently just had my first professionally done surface piercing - nape<br><br>which was surprisingly painful whilst being done but after i feel no pain at all! whereas usually its the other way around, but now im already planning my second nape :)<br><br>although i think some surface piercings can look awful...<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:06:50 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : My corset piercing was one of...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=63695">sweatereyes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November/27/2008 at 4:33pm<br /><br />My corset piercing was one of my first piercings, which looking back on it, was probably not the best idea.&nbsp; I mean, I did a lot of research on them before talking to a piercer so I knew some of the basics (such as using surface barbells).&nbsp; I got four surface barbells (with external threading) and didn't put the slave beads on for a couple of months.&nbsp; However, the piercings only lasted about 6 months total (they were difficult for me to take of on my own which I think was a big part of the problem).. <br>But, when I got them done, I had originally wanted them to be vertically placed, but the piercer said that they had a better chance to successful if they were on 45 degree angles, meanwhile other piercers tell me that this was not the best idea.&nbsp; Does anyone know if there is a better success rate based on the angle of the piercing for corsets?&nbsp; (You can check my photos to see how mine was set up)&nbsp; I haven't seen other corsets done in this way so I'm not sure.<br><br>My other surface piercings were even less successful than my corset.. my sternum lasted about 4 months, but I found out that that was because it was placed in a spot that (due to boobs) had a lot of movement.&nbsp; My wrist piercing I knew was temporary when I got it done, but it was for a friend that is apprenticing and wanted to expand their portfolio.&nbsp; For my wrist PTFE stuff was used when the piercing was first done but was switched to a proper surface barbell the next day (we agreed to use the plastic because at the time of the piercing it was quicker to get in and it was his very first surface piercing).&nbsp; It still lasted for over a month and took it out only because it kept getting caught.<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:33:54 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : I think the whole surface piercing...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=136503">AileenFritz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November/20/2008 at 2:10pm<br /><br />I think the whole surface piercing techniques issue is still a sore subject for ppl..&nbsp; I initially learned to do surface piercings with a curved barbell like 8 years ago.&nbsp; I now know that that method sucks, LOL!!&nbsp;&nbsp; But Im still currently using needles and surface bars...&nbsp;&nbsp; Ive never used a&nbsp;punch so i have no opinion on that method.&nbsp; Ive had&nbsp;pretty good success rates with the needle&nbsp;&amp; surface bar method but after the&nbsp;positive comments on the punch method i think Ill give it a try!!!!&nbsp;So thanks for opeining a new door for me....]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:10:29 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : I&amp;#039;m pleased that you have...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=131237">Amulet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/29/2008 at 10:51pm<br /><br />I'm pleased that you have had success with your piercings and not trying to diss anyone else.&nbsp; Just saying that there are people who know what they are doing with a needle!&nbsp; It doesn't take too long with a piercer to get to know whether or not they really know their stuff and give a shit about their customers.&nbsp; Many don't, it's true, but lots of us do care about our customers and the quality of their work.&nbsp; I am a perfectionist and am always willing to learn new ideas and techniques, but they don't always work for me!]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:51:16 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : its nice to see that some ppl...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=110973">Yika</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/29/2008 at 10:47pm<br /><br />its nice to see that some ppl like to stick to the word but in my case he said he realy new how and there no other way nd well look at me now]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:47:40 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Hello all! It has been very interesting...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=131237">Amulet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/29/2008 at 10:41pm<br /><br />Hello all!&nbsp; It has been very interesting to read all of the posts on here.&nbsp; However, I do have to disagree with some of the comments on here.&nbsp; I trained as a piercer 2 years ago by somebody who was very experienced with surface piercings and taught me his techniques.&nbsp; As a result of this, I always use 1.6mm staples (surface bars) and recognise the stupidity of barbells or banana bars for this purpose.&nbsp; However, I DO use a needle and usually clamps as well.&nbsp; I have found this to be an effective method.&nbsp; Placement is of course an extremely important issue.&nbsp; I hope to learn to do microdermals soon as I do feel that these really are the way to go.&nbsp; I don't want to be responsible for scarring people up, but, as has been pointed out, a release form is signed as there is nothing the piercer can do to aid the healing process once the customer has left the studio.&nbsp; I do resent being told that I don't know what I am doing because I don't do dermal punches.&nbsp; I DO know what I am doing and have been well trained.&nbsp; I would not begin to do any piercing of which I was unsure as it would be unfair of me to practice on the paying public!&nbsp; There is more than one way to skin a cat, as the proverb goes.&nbsp; We can all learn from each other and employ the techniques that work for each of us, but we will never all do things the same way.&nbsp; As long as the jewellery and the placement is good then there is a good chance of success.]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:41:11 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings :   Originally posted by CheeseStixI...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=110973">Yika</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/28/2008 at 9:05pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by CheeseStix</strong></em><br /><br />I believe I've pulled out around 20 surface bars, that were done with the pinch and poke method, before I knew any better. <br>Logistically, I can definitely see how the punch and taper method should be infinitely better, but with what I've gone through with surface piercings already, I don't think I could ever go back to them. I find microdermals to be a great substitute. <br></td></tr></table> i had about 13 do the same thing by the same person. i as well will never do another surface. and yes i hate all of my scars<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:05:39 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : the bruising has gone down now,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=116805">emmeroid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/28/2008 at 12:33pm<br /><br />the bruising has gone down now, but i get the odd day when i can see it<br>last time i had a staple in it, but now i have a PTFE bar in so it doesnt catch as much, and feels a lot better<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:33:50 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Hard to say without seeing it...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=73202">Carrie_p2005</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/28/2008 at 12:28pm<br /><br />Hard to say without seeing it myself.&nbsp; If it was still bruised from the last time, you shouldn't have had it repierced in the same spot.]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:28:34 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : i could do with a bit of advice...i...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=116805">emmeroid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/28/2008 at 1:49am<br /><br />i could do with a bit of advice...<br>i had a surface piercing on my arm the start of this year, it got bruised, but didnt really hurt but i kept knocking it, and one night i hit it and bled. profusely. and wouldnt stop for ages. after a while it did and just stayed bruised.<br>but anyway with much deliberation and pushing by my ex, i took it out, and it healed up<br>then about two months ago, same time i got my septum pierced, i had it done again, and its fine. but still a little bruised from when i had it done last time<br><br>thing is<br>i get the occasional bit of blood, and it goes hard to move the bar, it happens rarely though, but i was wondering if its still ok?<br>itdoesnt hurt until it goes funny<br><br>heeeeeelp!<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:49:42 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings :  Originally posted by modified...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=40524">Jenneee</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/17/2008 at 9:57pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by modified youth</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by MontanaPiercer</strong></em><br /><br /><img src="/forum/uploads/M&#111;ntanaPiercer/2006-02-07_131211_rejecti&#111;n.gif" border="0" /><BR></td></tr></table> That is disgusting lol. I can't imagine anyone fighting to keep these in like this.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>that is nasty , the person in this immage should have clearly taken them out once theu saw the outsides becoming the way they did </DIV></td></tr></table> ]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:57:01 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Read back through here for more...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29919">CheeseStix</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/10/2008 at 5:37pm<br /><br />Read back through here for more info, but the usual warning signs are redness, soreness, etc. <br>The chances of dermal anchors rejecting are much, much, lower than surface bars. As long as you take care of them, everything should be fine with dermal anchors. :D<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:37:42 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : i keep reading all these negative...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=129371">teahstaysgold</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/10/2008 at 5:24pm<br /><br />i keep reading all these negative remarks about surface piercings. <DIV>what are the odds my body is going to reject mine? ive got 2 14g dermal anchors. </DIV><DIV>most people say they dont have problems until 7+ months after getting them done. are there any warning signs or anything?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : very well said. lots of intresting...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=47755">this_is_my_name</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/10/2008 at 3:20pm<br /><br />very well said.&nbsp; lots of intresting info too.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29919">CheeseStix</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/10/2008 at 2:59pm<br /><br />I believe I've pulled out around 20 surface bars, that were done with the pinch and poke method, before I knew any better. <br>Logistically, I can definitely see how the punch and taper method should be infinitely better, but with what I've gone through with surface piercings already, I don't think I could ever go back to them. I find microdermals to be a great substitute. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=120800">nosuzanne</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/10/2008 at 2:50pm<br /><br />My punch and taper surface piercing&nbsp;(nape) &nbsp;is the only one I've had in long term. Meaning more&nbsp;then a couple weeks/ months. It was done by a very experienced practioner with a high quality anatometal surface bar. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=116332">Peedu</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July/17/2008 at 10:13pm<br /><br />I do have one surfacepiercing in my forehead, it is healed and other I had in my left hand, it did not heal. :/ I had to take it off, there went 50euros but it was worth it.<br><br>edit:<br><br>I noticed that I have posted here one other post with same subject, but one thing more to tell..<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Peedu - July/17/2008 at 10:15pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=121225">stoke-skater</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> June/07/2008 at 5:58am<br /><br /><P>i have surface piercings on my face and have had no trouble with them so far.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; hope to keep it that way.</P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=121616">flightstreak723</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> June/01/2008 at 9:55pm<br /><br /><b>Hello all! I got a surface piercing in my back 7 months ago. I didn't know this at the time, but the method used was improper (clamp, taper, teflon barbel). I decided to leave it in and see what happened. It has been pretty good as far as pain goes, it doesn't hurt at all. But it has always been a little red around the holes, and there has always been fluid build up (mostly a yellow-reddish clear color). I recently go a bad sunburn, and since then it has been acting up. It has been very sore, red, and is bleeding a bit. Is this a sign of rejection, or will it pass? Also, is the regular fluid secretion for the 7 months straight normal? <br><br><br>Thanks for the help.<br><br>links for the pictures:<br><br><a href="http://oswego.edu/%7Ebfromm/back1.JPG" target="_blank">http://oswego.edu/~bfromm/back1.JPG</a><br><a href="http://oswego.edu/%7Ebfromm/back2.JPG" target="_blank">http://oswego.edu/~bfromm/back2.JPG</a><br><br><br></b><div align="center"><div align="left"><b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</b><b> <img src="http://oswego.edu/%7Ebfromm/back1.JPG" height="203" width="135" border="0" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://oswego.edu/%7Ebfromm/back2.JPG" height="203" width="135" border="0" /><br></b></div></div><b><br></b><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by flightstreak723 - June/02/2008 at 9:36pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=116332">Peedu</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> June/01/2008 at 9:42am<br /><br />I didn't read all the comments on but wanted to inform that I do have a surfacepiercing on my forehead and it has healed completely.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=121533">modified youth</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/31/2008 at 8:57am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by MontanaPiercer</strong></em><br /><br /><img src="/forum/uploads/M&#111;ntanaPiercer/2006-02-07_131211_rejecti&#111;n.gif" border="0" /><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>that is nasty , the person in this immage should have clearly taken them out once theu saw the outsides becoming the way they did </DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 08:57:46 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : my other half will try to always...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=119435">Terri-Sian</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/31/2008 at 7:37am<br /><br />my other half will try to always use the punch and taper method when doing surface work<DIV>he's been a body modifier for 13 years.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>he's never damaged muscle tissue. to be honest with all body modification there is always a risk of something not quite going to plan hence why you sign a release form!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>im an apprentice so naturally im just learning the basic bread and butter piercings to begin with (navel, eyebrow etc etc) it's going to be at least a year before i learn about genital work and a hell of a long time before i start with surface and dermal punches...</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>i feel things like this should be done by someone who knows what the hell they are doing. im not against people experimenting but if you are after a quality piece then go to a quality body modifier!</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=103315">theartofnecro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/30/2008 at 1:29am<br /><br />thats why you get a professional who knows what they're doing, and even so sometimes its inevitable&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9724">kweidog</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/29/2008 at 2:07pm<br /><br />Actually the needle method with clamps results in 90 degree entry and exit holes as well,doing them freehand with a needle does&nbsp;not.<DIV>Also,one big draw back with the dermal punch is it's real easy to lacerate the underlying muscle tissue.&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=103315">theartofnecro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/29/2008 at 4:56am<br /><br />WOW.. some people are real dumbasses, read the thread properly before asking questions. Most of them have already been answered.<br><br>PTFE isnt suitable for a surface piercing, unless it has been bent into shape using the right method, but surface bars are usually still preferred.<br>Also the punch and taper technique is preffered to the needle method due to the angle of the holes created.. i drew this in MS paint to illustrate what i've poorly put into words...<br><br><img src="http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/hiimmick/Punchandtaper.jpg" height="327" width="608" border="0" /><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by theartofnecro - May/29/2008 at 4:57am</span>]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Yika - it wasn&amp;#039;t really infected,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=118812">KittenLaTrix</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/14/2008 at 4:30pm<br /><br /><DIV>Yika - it wasn't really infected, just sore and bit red. I let it settle before I removed it though. Thanks :) </DIV><DIV>I took it out a few days ago. It's healing nicely. I'm keeping it clean, and I've got some vitamin E oil for healing. It's going ok so far, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed it all goes smoothly. </DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=110973">Yika</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/14/2008 at 12:01pm<br /><br />if you take it when there is an infection the infection will get stuck in you skin ad is just not fun try and heal it first if you can then take it out and do seasalt soaks just remember to rinse with worm water after you dont want the seasalt to couse a calice<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=119892">leadpipe05</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/14/2008 at 11:36am<br /><br />ugh thats just nasty! i mean when u see its rejecting TAKE IT OUT!]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : I&amp;#039;m not a pro, so it would...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29919">CheeseStix</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/06/2008 at 8:06am<br /><br />I'm not a pro, so it would be best to wait for advice from one of them, but I would personally suggest going back to the piercer to have it removed, at a time when it's not infected, then doing sea salt soaks (1/4 teaspoon non iodized sea salt to 8 ounces of warm water, for about 7 or 8 minutes) twice a day until the holes close over. Then use Vitamin E oil (or lotion, but oil is better) everyday. The soaks should help it stay clean and close nicely, and the vitamin E oil is amazing for reducing scars.<br>Good luck! :D<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=118812">KittenLaTrix</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/06/2008 at 7:51am<br /><br />Hi guys. I've looked around to find the answer to this question, but I'm none the wiser as yet.<DIV>I got a sternum piercing about two months ago, its done with PTFE bent at 90 degrees each end. It all went ok, the piercer told me it would take a long time to heal because of the placement, but I've noticed its not quite central, which bugs me a lot. </DIV><DIV>SO I'm planning on taking it out quite soon, also as I keep knocking it and it keeps getting minor infections - a bit of swelling and soreness, getting hot to touch and a bit of pus leaking. I'm just looking for a bit of advice, whats the best way to keep it clean and make sure it heals smoothly, with as little scarring possible? Is it ok to take it out myself, or should I go back to the piercer? Please help, I really dont want bad scars on my chest! </DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=73202">Carrie_p2005</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/16/2008 at 2:03pm<br /><br />I don't see any reason why you shouldn't get microdermals there.&nbsp; They would have a better chance of staying put than a surface pierciing.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=110973">Yika</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/16/2008 at 11:30am<br /><br />ive have surface piercing that were healer and later after almost a year just start to reject. so i took them out before they really started to look bad and now after i let the scares some what heal (as much as a scare will heal) im getting microdermals over them.<br><br>one they heal faster.<br>two they get put in with the growth of the skin<br>three the skin grows with the piercing so it wii hopefully never reject &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101652">Joshiepoo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/16/2008 at 2:10am<br /><br />But anyway, I wanted to get Microdermals there. However, my piercer didn't recommend it. Should I get those as opposed to surface piercings? &#091;THE PROPER ONES&#093;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=73202">Carrie_p2005</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/15/2008 at 3:23pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Joshiepoo</strong></em><br /><br />Honey, I live in Delaware. It's not likely that anyone here knows. xD</td></tr></table><br><br>You might be pleasantly surprised.&nbsp; I'm from a small town in Indiana.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=40780">Tallulah</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/15/2008 at 12:28pm<br /><br />It's scary to see people in Ireland with surface piercing. I've seen some horrifying work over here. It's a shame the people themselves aren't sensible enough to realise that straight bars and piercings just aren't going to work. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I had my madison done with a needle and no matter how well I took care of it it just did not want to stay in. I took it out as soon as it started rejecting. Probably shouldn't have even done it but there you go.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The back of my neck is a custom bar and it's healed great. Still got if after two years without any&nbsp;grow out.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It's good to hear from people who know what they're talking about when it comes to surface piercings since I had to&nbsp;look pretty far when researching it to find any reliable info.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Thanks guys!&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101652">Joshiepoo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/15/2008 at 11:43am<br /><br />Honey, I live in Delaware. It's not likely that anyone here knows. xD]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=73202">Carrie_p2005</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/15/2008 at 12:46am<br /><br />I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but even if you changed out the jewelry right now, it probably won't ever heal correctly.&nbsp; To make a surface piercing work, you also have to use the correct method, which includes creating a pocket that is the exact same size and shape as your surface barbell.&nbsp; This is why the punch and taper method is so highly recommended.&nbsp; Even if your pierced created a suitable pocket (which is unlikely since he used PTFE, this shows he is not properly educated about surface piercings), the PTFE will have changed the shape of the piercing to conform to straight jewelry.&nbsp; Putting in a surface barbell will probably do nothing but irritate the piercing and perpetuate rejection.&nbsp; My advice: take them out, let them heal, and then go to a piercer who knows how to properly do surface piercings.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101652">Joshiepoo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/14/2008 at 10:07pm<br /><br />So, I recently got my clavicles pierced with PFTE. My piercer told me after he thought they were healing decently he'd put in a surface bar. So, is this alright or should I suggest him to put them in sooner than that?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=34045">funanddeath</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/03/2008 at 11:12pm<br /><br />I am guessing from my experience with surface piercings that that onewas done with a needle. YOU DO NOT USE A NEEDLE FOR A SURFACE PIERCING.And yea, Carrie is right, even if it won't reject it is still too high on the ends and will get snagged on everything considering the spot you chose to place it. <br><br>I would recommend taking it out, letting it heal, and in 6 to 10 weeks get it redone correctly. <br><br>Punch and taper method, you use a biopsy punch to create the 90 degree angled holes (this keeps from putting any pressure on the skin), and you have to have the right jewelry. If the piercer knows the correct way to do these piercings they will have the correct jewelry, you can tell that piece was made by the piercer. It needs to have two 90 degree angled ends to again keep from pulling, and this jewelry will come in like this, it does not need to be made. Also the ends put on this bar should be flat, they are called healing disks, and will help keep the piercing from snagging on anything, and helps to reduce swelling in the piercing. <br><br>Please, if someone pulls a clamp and needle out on you when you are getting a surface piercing, THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO IT. Just wait and have it done right to avoid a really nasty scar. <br>]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : I&amp;#039;m getting a corset down...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114627">Jackalhead</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/02/2008 at 6:07pm<br /><br />I'm getting a corset down my back with microdermal anchors. We don't have Tygon in SA.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=73202">Carrie_p2005</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/02/2008 at 5:54pm<br /><br />That is probably going to reject.&nbsp; For one, the bends are 80 degrees, not 90, and that makes a huge difference in the amount of pressure on the surrounding tissue.&nbsp; Second, the risers are very high and will likely catch on everything, resulting in constant irritation.&nbsp; If you like it, leave it there for now, but take it out at the first signs of rejection to avoid ugly scars.&nbsp; Look for things like the skin pulling away from the edges of the holes, the bar underneath the skin showing on the edges, and being able to see the jewelry through the skin.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114563">x_jessabel</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/02/2008 at 11:46am<br /><br />Ok this is so stupid.<DIV>I got my wrist pierced. But it doesn't look right.</DIV><DIV>I hope the pic works.</DIV><DIV>Didn't they use the right barbell?</DIV><DIV>Or didn't they go deep enough?</DIV><DIV>And should I take it out?</DIV><DIV>sorry for the blurry picture.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><img src="http://i28.tinypic.com/33k5748.jpg" border="0" /></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=111533">billybot</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March/16/2008 at 12:39am<br /><br />personal experiance: <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>surface piercing reared its head here in my corner of the planet in the last decade, i got my nape&nbsp;pierced the first time years ago before we had ever heard of ptfe or tygon or whatever. when i asked my piercist she said she would do it as long as i understood it would reject, we pierced it with a one inch curved barbell, i went for my second a few months later, a few months after that i got my clavicles done (they rejected quickly) a third nape piercing, a horizontal belly, and finally a 4th nape. i lost 2 napes that fell out while i slept (the two bottom ones) the two that i have left are at least&nbsp;6 years old, same with my belly, they are generally healthy although get a little irritated when i am under stress. all were done with one inch curved barbells.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>im not immune to rejection i know from my clavicles and the whole golfball sized handweb fiasco, just pretty lucky, my belly is my favorite piercing, and i forget about my nape most of the time.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>i have no personal experiance with ptfe, the shops here that do surface piercings use it now, my girlfriend has a monroe with it in it, and i can see that it doesnt allow any more&nbsp;flexability than steel that i can see.&nbsp;its not doing well but she also had a sternum that went down the rejection road.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>i have seen a pair of 4 inch back piercings on somone that were done with tygon i believe (its something really stretchy) they were done at a festival by some famous piercist whos name i didnt listen too, they are doing well or at least looked like they were. which makes sence, the jewelery would idealy need to be more flexible that the flesh its in right? has anyone ever tried to come up with like a silicone barbell?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>also i always put spikes on my piercings when i get them done (i like being sharp) i found that the bottom edges of the cone spikes&nbsp;dug in on the curved barbells in my surface piercings, pushing the jewelery away from the skin, but after a few days a groove that it fits into always forms. so i may just be a freak... </DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by billybot - March/16/2008 at 12:40am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=111170">jiams</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March/13/2008 at 11:50am<br /><br /><P>Thanks! Mine is better already (: </P><DIV>Hope yours is fine as well!</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=79662">Jeeennnnniiiii</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March/05/2008 at 3:18pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Veilside</strong></em><br /><br />Saw Mac doing one of these on sunday, the technique seemed relatively simple, so I can't understand why people still use the inferior needle technique.</td></tr></table><br>that was on me <img src="/smilies/greyhappy.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> we filmed it.. (it's a madison) so have a look on <span id="ctl00_C&#111;ntentPlaceHolder1_dlMembers"><span></span></span><a href="../profiles/profile%7EID%7E12217.aspx" target="_blank">MACCY2TONGUES</a> page for the video.<br>there was so much more blood than i thought!!<br>and seriously.. i barely felt it. you can even see me laughing in the video part way through.<br>i'll definately be using that method from now on.<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jiams</strong></em><br /><br />I had my nape pierced&nbsp;5 days back and my neck feels really strained now. <div><br>Does anybody here knows what are the signs of rejection? Causethere's like visible red mark across my nape piercing where the surfacebar is at.<br></div><div>Thanks in advance <img src="../smilies/greybiggrin.gif" height="15" width="15" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20Grin" /></div></td></tr></table><br>i got mine done a week and a half ago and it's still red. i imagine it'll hurt for a while yet.<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Jeeennnnniiiii - March/05/2008 at 3:19pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=111170">jiams</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March/05/2008 at 2:37pm<br /><br />I had my nape pierced&nbsp;5 days back and my neck feels really strained now. <DIV><BR>Does anybody here knows what are the signs of rejection? Cause there's like visible red mark across my nape piercing where the surface bar is at.<BR></DIV><DIV>Thanks in advance <img src="http://www.bodymod.org/smilies/greybiggrin.gif" height="15" width="15" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20Grin" /></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=13138">Veilside</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/25/2008 at 1:55pm<br /><br />Saw Mac doing one of these on sunday, the technique seemed relatively simple, so I can't understand why people still use the inferior needle technique.]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Well, if you&amp;#039;re right or...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=108165">tessariot</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/22/2008 at 8:54pm<br /><br />Well, if you're right or not, logically that sounds like it would work much better than a needle.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29919">CheeseStix</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/22/2008 at 6:51pm<br /><br />The punch and taper method involves making two small holes with a dermal punch, and then making a pocket in between them with a taper, to create a hole the same shape and size as the surface bar, as opposed to the needle method, which leaves shape... questionable.<br>Such is my understanding anyways, I'm not a pro though, so don't quote me on that. <img src="/smilies/propeller.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Propeller" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=108165">tessariot</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/22/2008 at 5:56pm<br /><br />Just curious, what exactly is involved with the punch and taper method?&nbsp;]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings :  Originally posted by xXxJenocydexXxYeah,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=109250">mugged</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/20/2008 at 5:15pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by xXxJenocydexXx</strong></em><br /><br /><br />Yeah, that's just scar tissue.  I had the same thing when I let my first lobe holes closed up before having them redone.  Definitely normal as long as there's no weird drainage or excessive pain.<br /></td></tr></table> danke]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10405">xXxJenocydexXx</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/20/2008 at 5:03pm<br /><br />Yeah, that's just scar tissue.&nbsp; I had the same thing when I let my first lobe holes closed up before having them redone.&nbsp; Definitely normal as long as there's no weird drainage or excessive pain.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by xXxJenocydexXx - February/20/2008 at 5:03pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=109250">mugged</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/20/2008 at 4:32pm<br /><br />hey...i recently removed my eyebrow piercing and now there seems to be a lump underneath the skin where piercing was...it isnt really visible but you can feel it if you run your finger over my eyebrow...im assuming its scar tissue but i wasnt really sure...part of the reason i removed it was because it kept getting caught on stuff, and when i went to take it out last night both holes were bleeding because earlier it got stuck on something...right now there are two small red bumps where the holes were and the palpable but not visible lump underneath the eyebrow...is this normal?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=85319">SierraFoxtrot</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/17/2008 at 8:30pm<br /><br />I was thinking about getting a surface piercing, this has been so helpful! Thankyou.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=103315">theartofnecro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January/17/2008 at 8:23pm<br /><br /><P>PUNCH AND TAPER PEOPLE, PUNCH AND TAPER!<BR>Takes a bit longer to do, with a bit more blood,&nbsp;but&nbsp;it's worth it when your piercing doesnt reject with-in the same month. There have been claims of the healing time improving over 60% too.</P><DIV>I've&nbsp;been playing around with the tecnique for awhile now, and will put it into practise on the next client. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Well said too montana</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=46880">devilette_</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December/23/2007 at 7:18am<br /><br />my collarbone surfaces are going pretty well<br><br>however, i get a bit uneasy because one side feels significantly closer to the surface then the other bar, and this one is also redder<br>its so strange how one is virtually painless (they are only 6 weeks old) and the other one is really tender!<br><br>im not sure its a way i sleep or something..<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16453">Malice Mae</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/30/2007 at 11:19am<br /><br /><P>I have a PTFE bar as the bar for my surface piercing but it have been shaped into a surface piercing bar...Ive had it for about 6 months now and it hasnt moved a bit...anyone in the uk thinking about getting it done go ask for Paddy in Acsess All Areas in Nottingham...I Hardlt felt a thing when I got it done and I've had no trouble with it since...I'm pretty happy!!</P><DIV>Its and Anti-eyebrow BTW </DIV><DIV>forgot to put that in :)</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>xMalicex</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=73202">Carrie_p2005</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/23/2007 at 1:42pm<br /><br />I would just leave them alone at this point.&nbsp; Even if you were to change to surface barbells (the only proper jewelry for surface piercings) the piercing was still done incorrectly and would still likely reject.&nbsp; If you are (very) lucky, they will heal and you won't have any issues in the future.&nbsp; But more than likely you will start to see signs of rejection in the next few months.&nbsp; Take them out at the first sign of rejection to minimize scarring.&nbsp; And if you want to get them done again, go to a different piercer who uses surface barbells, and ideally the punch and taper method to insert them.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=78743">krowe</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/23/2007 at 12:14pm<br /><br />but they act like they are healing. Should I just leave them alone or change them out for something else.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11654">AlecTrosex</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/22/2007 at 9:33am<br /><br />Curved barbells? That is how you know they will reject, haha. Look for the skin to get tight on the jewelry, scar "trails" leading away from the ends of the jewelry, the skin becoming transparant, and in general, the piercings refusing to heal.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=78743">krowe</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/22/2007 at 12:53am<br /><br /><P>Ok so I got a two surface piercings on my lower stomach about four days ago, and I have had no worries till I started reading about rejections and such...no I worry that they may get pushed out. My piercer used curved barbells. How do I know if they are going to stay or not? (I am new to the whole piercing thing. They were my first major piercing, other than my ears.)<img src="/smilies/hamster.gif" height="24" width="16" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Hamster" /></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=49835">teacake</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/08/2007 at 9:23am<br /><br />Since I bumped m sternum its began to go ookie and stuff. <br><br>eurh better not reject now.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=73202">Carrie_p2005</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/08/2007 at 2:45am<br /><br />For all of you that are wanting to do corsets with surface barbells, painfulpleasures.com sells surface barbells with slave ends for $14.99.&nbsp; They range from 1/2" to 1" in length.&nbsp; The only problem is the threads are external, which most piercers do not like to use.&nbsp; But it is a better option than trying to put in CBRs.&nbsp; Even fully healed surface piercings can reject if there is trauma to the area or jewelry is changed to something that causes pressure to the skin.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11654">AlecTrosex</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September/27/2007 at 6:41pm<br /><br />You very well may be able to save it, but since it is a surface piercing, there are never guarantees that you will be able to keep it for very long.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71787">polkira</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September/24/2007 at 9:28am<br /><br />I got my sternum pierced two days ago, and the idiot that did it used a PTFE bar, even after I asked if he could use a surface bar. I was just wondering if it would still reject if I go to a different piercer and get them to put a surface bar through, or if I should take it out now, let it heal and then get it redone properly.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=60466">pollux</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September/20/2007 at 5:48am<br /><br />Just had a verticle pubic done , when I bend over it slides out just a bit worried I will reject what you think<img src="/smilies/eye-popping.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Eye-Popping" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=37410">SweetCocoa69</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September/11/2007 at 10:48pm<br /><br /><P>i want a christina but it's rejection rate is to high</P>]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Oh sweet Jesus! That looks painful!!...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=65420">Aidskake</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September/01/2007 at 7:29pm<br /><br />Oh sweet Jesus! That looks painful!!]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : My neck was dermal punched and...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=13297">minkeymarie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July/08/2007 at 3:08pm<br /><br />My neck was dermal punched and tapered. But my sternum was with a needle. The skin on my neck was tighter, that's why they used the p &amp; t method instead. And it's healing a lot easier. As far as pain, it wasn't so much as it was more painful, it just took longer, and bled more. ]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : hmmmm i havent got my clavicles...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=38763">abyssfayth</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July/02/2007 at 10:30am<br /><br />hmmmm i havent got my clavicles yet... kinda was waiting on a reply from montana but i guess ill talk to my piercer soon.... she did my friends and one of hers rejected and the other one looks decent but idk... my girlfriend is kinda down my throat cause she loves the piercing but in the same respect loves my collarbones and doent was a huge scar there.]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings :   Hmmm... I wonder. :P How long...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29919">CheeseStix</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> June/17/2007 at 2:49pm<br /><br />Hmmm... I wonder. :P How long has it stayed for?]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Nicely Put Ive had two one by...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16453">Malice Mae</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> June/17/2007 at 2:36pm<br /><br />Nicely Put Ive had two one by someone that didnt know what he was doing and one by someone that did guess which stayed!!!<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>x x x</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29919">CheeseStix</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> June/10/2007 at 6:00pm<br /><br />My question for the day, as I have quite a few surface piercings, but have never done the Punch and Taper method, always used a clamp, needle, and surface bar... Is the P&amp;T method best for ALL surface piercings, or just some, and how do I tell the difference?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=47001">JessicaGrace</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/29/2007 at 7:31pm<br /><br /><P>As someone said before about themself, I'm wanting to get clavicals. What is the procedure like? What is the proper way for it to be pierced? Is there anything I should know before getting it done? Will it reject eventually?</P><DIV>Thanks!</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18971">Cale</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/18/2007 at 2:56am<br /><br />I just took out my vertical bridge piercing two days ago. I'm sad about it but it was rejecting and I left it in a little longer than I probably should have. Now there are two red bumps on my head but it's going away. It will probably leave a mark.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>If a piercing begins to reject, just take it out! I'll never learn. :P</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>When it's gone, I'm going to get tattoos there. :)</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 02:56:43 UT</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9913">red76ying</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/08/2007 at 9:08pm<br /><br />i've wanted a corset on my back for a while now. i'm planning on getting surface bars, waiting for them to heal, and then putting in cbrs or whatever necessary&nbsp; for the corset itself. should i go in stages? like get 4 surface bars, wait, get another 4... or just get them all done at once?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=38763">abyssfayth</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/03/2007 at 11:06am<br /><br />so i plan on getting clavicles done here within the month of june, ive seen it done with a clamp and barbell but from what im reading that's wrong. so the correct way would be dermal punch and tapor correct? (w/ surface bar) i just wanna make sure i dont do it wrong or didnt read any of your opinions wrong. also what is the procedure like?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=28111">e-star</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/30/2007 at 2:52pm<br /><br />thank you!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=166">MontanaPiercer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/30/2007 at 1:21pm<br /><br />a vertical labret doesn't qualifiy as a surface piercing, because you can obtain perpendicular exits with a curved bar due to the rounded anatomy of the lip]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=28111">e-star</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/29/2007 at 6:46pm<br /><br />just a quick question..is there a chance of a vertical lip growing out as I suppose technically it is a surface piercing? twould be a bummer.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29622">MistahG</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/09/2007 at 11:18am<br /><br />Bah ! Surface piercings are<i> SO</i> 2005. <br><br><font color="#990000"><b><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Viva Surface Anchors.</font></b></font><br><br><img src="/forum/uploads/MistahG/20070409_112217_Microdermal&#111;ntr.jpg" height="100" width="200" border="0" /><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by MistahG - April/09/2007 at 11:23am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=34045">funanddeath</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/09/2007 at 9:51am<br /><br /><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" color=#006600 size=3><EM>Couldn't have said it better myself!! I am a big fan of surface piercings, so far I only have two, my sternum and my nape. They both healed wonderfully in the first month and a half. The only problem I had was with the nape, which stupid me, got some shampoo into. After that cleared up it was smooth sailing from there. My piercer is great, his name is Paul from Needle Wurks, I would not trust my body with anyone else when&nbsp;it comes to piercings. He uses the punch and taper method for his surface piercings, and the SURFACE BAR. Its a great method, does not hurt a bit. He tells me if he thinks there is a great chance of rejection, and so far he has been right. But I do see these people with banana bars in their surface piercings... and I think it is so sad, because if they are anything like me they are so in love with their piercings, and I know if one of mine was to reject I would be devastated. The only thing I really have to say is, do your research before you get a piercing. Bmod is a great place to do it too, ask people about how theirs have healed and what not, most people are willing to talk :)</EM></FONT>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=27819">ronc</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/01/2007 at 6:25am<br /><br />well this just shows how stupit i can be sometimes. if i would have read this first i could have saved some money and pain. the rib cage project i tryed didnt last 3 weeks befoire it became very obvious that it was not going to heal so i pulled it. now i have to do it all over again. bummer but this time im going to do it right. live and learn.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11654">AlecTrosex</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/01/2007 at 5:31am<br /><br />Did you read this thread before posting? Go back to the original post, click the links, and you will learn all about surface piercings.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=37514">frozt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March/31/2007 at 11:46pm<br /><br />Could someone explain what qualifies as a surface bar? Do barbells, curved barbells, circular barbells, etc qualify as these? Also, is the emphasis in this thread on only using surface bars just during the healing period or even after the piercing has healed completely? Some of the articles I've read recently make it seem that the majority of surface piercings(I'm hoping to get my eyebrow done) end up being rejected. What percentage of surface piercing would you say end up rejecting?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=33383">mixxiegurl</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March/19/2007 at 11:59pm<br /><br />hmmm... im definitely not an expert or anything but the last surface piercing i got has been absolutely perfect healing wise. no rejection or discoloration around hole sight and ive had it for over a year now.. im wondering if it was my piercer's technique.... he rotated the skin as he pierced it &#091;which FUCKING hurt&#093;.. also he used the bar with the 90 degree angles, but that have extremely short stems... he also pierced my ex's nap four times bout a year ago and his has healed excellent too. he took damn near a hour per piercing just to make sure that the angle coincided with the creases in his neck and so forth. two were horizontal and two were diagonal. anyways just a thought..... :) &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14808">insignificunt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December/23/2006 at 8:36pm<br /><br />anti-eyebrows or horizontal eyebrows. <DIV></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : hi, im new here  i have my bridge...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18940">prettysXe</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November/29/2006 at 10:28pm<br /><br /><strong>hi, im new here </strong><DIV><strong>i have my bridge pierced, but now</strong></DIV><DIV><strong>i want to know the risk of getting the sides of my eyes pierced</strong></DIV><DIV><strong>so it will line up with my bridge, on both sides<BR>i have no idea what its called... and my piercer doesnt either<BR>since he doesnt know wtf it is called... i dont think i should trust him in doing it...</strong></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=166">MontanaPiercer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/19/2006 at 2:03pm<br /><br />depends completely on the person's anatomy, some girls can get away with curved bars, some need surface bars, and some need a custom piece somewhere in between the two, a competent piercer will be able to explain your particular situation with a consultation]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17381">Shadowbunny</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/18/2006 at 10:26pm<br /><br />What about christinas? I've heard they are surfaces, then some people say they aren't. I've met girls who completely healed with them in within a few months and have had them for years, whereas most surfaces don't last that long. I'd like to get one done but i've seen some scary pictures of rejections, not to mention I got real shitty luck with piercers..... <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Shadowbunny - October/18/2006 at 10:27pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=166">MontanaPiercer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/18/2006 at 12:31am<br /><br />it is usually too much tissue to clamp without crushing damage making the piercing a much more unpleasant experience.....]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : i&amp;#039;ve had 11 surface bars...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=15108">-Guy-</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/17/2006 at 9:15am<br /><br />i've had 11 surface bars put in me so far my napes have al held up very weel nearly one year old my arm corset was removed after i no longer wanted it all was done with high quality surgical steel surface bars just a curious question although i trust my piercer i have seen many surface piercings being done without clamps is this normal or is there benifits to each piercing insertion?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17070">TriXxPierce</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/07/2006 at 4:32pm<br /><br />ive been trying to learn as much as i could about surface piercings. Ijust want to say thank you for helping me find alot of usefull info onthis subject. Thaknks again!!]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:32:06 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : those seem to be very common feelings...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7868">cherry_slices</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/17/2006 at 2:06pm<br /><br />those seem to be very common feelings when one gets a new piercing...it doesnt sound too alarming to me<DIV><BR>but thats just my&nbsp; non-expert&nbsp; but slightly educated opinion.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:06:44 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : well i just gotmy surface done...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=15715">mzlaz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August/16/2006 at 3:58pm<br /><br />well i just got&nbsp;my surface done on my cleavge furst two days are awsome, i do a surface bar in it also<DIV><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f189/kylakid/DSC02866.jpg" border="0"></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>this is day one theres a bit of blood on it<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>now i clean it with sea salt and distilled water andim worried i might be using to much salt and today i woke up and it was really sore and tight feeling&nbsp;&nbsp;I tend to roll over on my tummy and i have a feeling that might be why,what do you think</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>also when i clean it my skin feels tight from the salt,should i cut down on the salt a bit,i might be able to go see my peircer today but im in edmonton and im goin to van for a couple days i dont get peirced there so i have no desire to go see ne one there,just thought id get some feed back b4 i trek down there agian!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6695">sweetiehoneybab</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July/12/2006 at 3:37am<br /><br />it lasted for about two weeks, in the end people close to me convinced me to take it out, cos it was starting to look really sore and i kept catching it on everything&nbsp;and i knew there was no way it was gonna heal.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14808">insignificunt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July/11/2006 at 11:07am<br /><br /><P>Punch + taper people! it's the future of surface work! I haven't had any p+t done yet, but i've had close to a dozen surface piercings, all done with high quality surface bars and the only ones that stayed are the ones on my face. My vert. bridge is my baby. Christina died because she was being chaffed (yes, i talk about my piercings in 3rd person! )&nbsp; It's been almost a year since i've had my vert bridge. It's not red. It's not crusty. It hasnt' been swollen since it was 4 days old. </P><DIV>I really do like the LITFA aftercare for surface piercings&nbsp; (... Leave It The Fuck Alone!). works well for me! I find tedious and compulsive cleaning can leave it irritated.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10905">back2cali1104</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July/02/2006 at 10:53am<br /><br />sweetie,&nbsp; i love my little scars mine has left!!!! i hope they hang around a long time.........&nbsp;how long did your surface piercing&nbsp;last?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6695">sweetiehoneybab</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July/02/2006 at 6:47am<br /><br />well i took it out in the end and i have two little scars where it was. :) <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><IMG height=200 src="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/uploads/20060702_065051_Picture_12.jpg" width=300 border="0"></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by sweetiehoneybab - July/02/2006 at 6:51am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10905">back2cali1104</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July/01/2006 at 7:20pm<br /><br />i went into my surface piercing knowing it would be short term, i wanted the experience of getting a surface piercing. i knew going into it if i got it to last two weeks i was accomplishing something, it didnt last that long, oh well. i know the trama me bumping into it, and my bf bumping into it, as well as sleeping on my gut, well, i knew b4 hand it wouldnt last. so, have i learned anything from the experience? ummmmm, i learned i can endure tha pain of surface piercings, to take lots of pics, and to enjoy it while its there, nothing is guaranteed in life, and that especially holds true to surface piercings<DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10202">sataninacaddy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July/01/2006 at 7:02pm<br /><br /><P>When are people gonna learn? It gets old after a while doesn't it?</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10905">back2cali1104</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> June/10/2006 at 11:34am<br /><br />just had to ask sweetie, what ever happened with your surface piercing on your arm? i just got one an inch below my navel, had it three days (pic in the surface/navel section of piercings), and its healing fine. but i have just come to terms that this is a temp piercing, and its now a marathon race to see how long before my body does away with it. it is fun to have for the short term, but i know it wont last]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6695">sweetiehoneybab</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/26/2006 at 1:40pm<br /><br />there isn't alot of preasure on it now, alot of the swelling seems to have gone down and its not at all painful now. there is still quite a bit of weeping but i think it is getting better. <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>thankies 'tana. x]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=166">MontanaPiercer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/25/2006 at 8:06pm<br /><br />that can be done, but it has to be heated to almost the point of melting, I use a cautery pen for this, then allowed to cool, otherwise it won't hold it's shape. The one in your arm has obviously straightened out, or he didn't make the risers long enough.......<br>just bending them by hand doesn't work.....either way, I don't think that is going to work for you....<br>keep an eye on it.......tight pressure like that will retain fluid and wound discharge<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6695">sweetiehoneybab</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/25/2006 at 11:08am<br /><br />i know and thats what i though but the guy who is training my friend made it and said it was just as good as a surface bar and he prefared using bent ptfe. it is actually bent up at the ends like a surface bar.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=166">MontanaPiercer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/23/2006 at 6:47pm<br /><br />you are killing me!!!<br>how many times have I mentioned now that PTFE is not considered appropriate for surface piercings?<br>Surface bars<br>If it isn't one, it is NOT right<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6695">sweetiehoneybab</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/23/2006 at 12:36pm<br /><br /><P>i got this done on friday,&nbsp;its really swolen and red (as you can see) and its really painfull, basically from what i can tell its the left entry hole (the one on the bottom) that is causing all the problems, the other one seems to be fine and its much less tender around that one. also the left hole is weeping alot. </P><DIV><IMG height=150 src="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/uploads/20060523_123328_Picture_1.jpg" width=200 border="0">&nbsp;<IMG height=150 src="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/uploads/20060523_123517_Picture_2.jpg" width=200 border="0">&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>my body is usually really good when it comes to heeling and i've been doing all the usual, basically i wanna know is it only gonna get worse and should i give up and take it out now. i'm gonna go see my usual piercer on friday and have him put a surface bar in because i think its probably a better idea and it might have a better chance, i also think ptfe that is in at the moment is a little too short and hasn't accomodated for swelling.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : i said it before and ill say it...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10205">CRUCIFUCK</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May/13/2006 at 1:00am<br /><br />i said it before and ill say it again.. when your doing a surfacepiercing on the part of the body where there is a lot of fatty tissueie.. the upper arm, nape of the neck, etc.. the pumch and taper methodis best becouse of the need to to have a entry and exit site on adownward 90 degree angle to facilatate proper placement for jewelry iskey.. if this method is not implied the jewelry will sit too high offof the skin making healing time longer due to the increased risk ofirratation from movement.. say no more..<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;cheers..john<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 01:00:22 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Can anyone help me out with info...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=13083">BubbleGunKis5</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> April/24/2006 at 10:21pm<br /><br />&nbsp;Can anyone help me out with info on the sternum piercing? I really want it but I want some facts and Id love to know how its done. <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by BubbleGunKis5</span>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:21:16 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Yeah...the dental floss one is...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10405">xXxJenocydexXx</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March/09/2006 at 12:05am<br /><br />Yeah...the dental floss one is REALLY asking for trouble.&nbsp; Nothing quite like extreme bleeding trauma to make your body happy!]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : fishing line over time is a fine...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7134">psychokinetic</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March/08/2006 at 11:51pm<br /><br />fishing line over time is a fine method, when doing it yourself.i may even utilise that method.. but the dental floss in one go is stupid.]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings :  Originally posted by sataninacaddyOk,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11909">hatredslave</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March/08/2006 at 8:18pm<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by sataninacaddy</strong></em><br /><br />Ok, In minnesota you don't have to have a license to tattoo or pierce, and there is a studio in East Grand Forks MN that is just fucking rediculous! I have seen and heard so many horror stories about there peircings and tattoo's, it is just pathetic! I went there myself just to see what they'd say about tongue splitting, he said he'd peirce it normal, feed some dental floss through and pull really fucking hard, than just put some gauz on it, what a joke!!!! People who don't know what they are doing shouldn't be DOING IT!!!!! I mean c'mon people, wtf are you thinking???!!!???</td></tr></table> </P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>same thing happend to me at essential beauty they told me to use fishing line over 3mths and slowley split it myself well i don't know how much longer they will be around when i can't get into see my piercer i&nbsp;did go there out of 3 piercings they messed up 2 and then told me that&nbsp;when i went to report thrm i got told not to because they had&nbsp;sued people for reporting them b4 sorry i had to comment just reminded me of them </P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>also thanks for the post it has made me think a bit more before i get mine cheers &nbsp; </P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:18:04 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Ok, In minnesota you don&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10202">sataninacaddy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March/07/2006 at 8:01am<br /><br />Ok, In minnesota you don't have to have a license to tattoo or pierce, and there is a studio in East Grand Forks MN that is just fucking rediculous! I have seen and heard so many horror stories about there peircings and tattoo's, it is just pathetic! I went there myself just to see what they'd say about tongue splitting, he said he'd peirce it normal, feed some dental floss through and pull really fucking hard, than just put some gauz on it, what a joke!!!! People who don't know what they are doing shouldn't be DOING IT!!!!! I mean c'mon people, wtf are you thinking???!!!???]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:01:17 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : mine was done with a curved barbell,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10491">Arawyn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/28/2006 at 7:47pm<br /><br />mine was done with a curved barbell, smiliar (almost identical looking actually) to the "Good surface" piercing demonstration on the last bme link.&nbsp; Dudes got a portfoilio of healed surfaces, so i hope mines ok ]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Look at the photos 4 posts up.......</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=166">MontanaPiercer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/21/2006 at 11:08pm<br /><br />Look at the photos 4 posts up.... there is your answer]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : i know for a fact the piercings...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6817">locky</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/21/2006 at 9:53pm<br /><br />i know for a fact the piercings places where i live both use ptfe for their surface piercings but one place does change it afterwards to a bar.... will this still cause rejection???]]>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : Hmm, i did not know that </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10359">Haywood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/13/2006 at 8:59pm<br /><br />Hmm, i did not know that]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:59:35 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : oh tay well he still insist that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10126">AnamiAzureal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/08/2006 at 11:09am<br /><br />oh tay well he still insist that they are better because he doesn't like to listen to pros, he feels that he is right and never WILL be wrong, but I don't care...I'll let him get it and it'll get fucked up and then he'll be lke "WoW....I wish i had listened to that Montana dood" so Idk but thanks for the info anyways, I'll take your advice for when I hopefully get my napes!&nbsp;]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:09:28 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings :   Unless the PTFE is bent with...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=166">MontanaPiercer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/06/2006 at 7:02pm<br /><br />Unless the PTFE is bent with 90 degree risors into a surface bar shape (this is a tricky practice to get them to stay bent, and requires heating them at the bend to the point of nearly melting and then letting them cool in that shape), then they are as useless as curved barbells. Any piercer who knows their shit gave up on PTFE for surface piercings years ago.... so more than likely she is just full of shit.....<br><br>if the jewelry doesn't look like the ones pictured above, its wrong. Here is a series of photos from <a href="http://www.bmezine.com/pierce/11-surface/want&#111;ne.html" target="_blank" target="_blank">BME</a> of nape piercings using the type of bars that piercer is talking about.....as you can clearly see, they don't work<br><br><img src="/forum/uploads/M&#111;ntanaPiercer/2006-02-07_131211_rejecti&#111;n.gif" border="0"><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by MontanaPiercer</span>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:02:37 UT</pubDate>
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   <title>Surface Piercings : okay well I was looking at those...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.bodymod.org/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10126">AnamiAzureal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3050<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February/06/2006 at 3:17pm<br /><br />okay well I was looking at those links with my brother and we started talking baout his corset piercing that he's wanted for god only knows how long and the bars he was